Monday Footnotes

by Tom Ziller on Feb 11, 2008 8:19 AM PST in Footnotes

Francisco Garcia, out for the week at least.
Scott Howard-Cooper talks Ron Artest trade possibilities. Meanwhile Sam Amick talks to folks inside the team, who indicate they've made up their mind on whether to trade or not. I think we can assume which way that decision's gone.
On his blog, Amick mentions two women were... getting familiar during the segment where radio guy (Jim Kozimor, in this case) talks to TV guys. I missed it (three fast-forward arrows when Peaches invades my picture). Anyone see it?
Same link, vastly more important: 'Typically, Koz and Grant - who some say haven't spoken unless they absolutely had to in eight years - bend over backwards to avoid conversing during the segment. This time, though, Koz asked Grant a question directly, with Grant remaining silent while Jerry quickly picked up the chatter and the answer after the brief awkward moment. Koz, who broke out laughing as the awkward meter kept rising, ended the segment with a generic parting comment. When he switched back to the radio side, he said, "I'd like to thank Jerry Reynolds for the Crosstalk tonight."' First, Koz verifies the 'Peaches' nickname. Now we find out there's a cold war going on? I need to listen to Koz's show more often.
It's hard for outsiders to really have a solid grasp of the state of a franchise. (I know those from writing about other franchises.) But this piece on the quasi-rebuild by Brian Spencer at Empty the Bench is spot-freaking-on. The Brad Miller stuff is particularly cogent, especially this line: "Can the Kings make the necessary roster tweaks to become legitimate contenders before Miller's inevitable decline? And if not, should they give thought to also trading him while his value is probably as high as it'll ever be?" Tough decision by the front office, only made tougher by the lack of options behind Miller. (Free 3-Wil?)
One Rocky Mountain News columnist isn't sold on Ron Artest as an answer for the Nuggets.
John Krolik has the latest entry in BallHype's Bibliotech series. It's on that seminal 90s hoops book The Last Shot by Darcy Frey.
(Kelly Dwyer is back. And he is insulting lazy baristas.)

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I knew I liked Koz

I wish I had known this Saturday, when Comcast asked me "why do you think you should co-host HPL with Koz?" I could have told them Koz and I share a deep-rooted hatred of Peaches and would get along like kindred spirits. But I still would have ended it with "and Kayte Christiansen is awesome"

Oh, and I may have said this earlier, but being served a beer by Slamson was awesome.

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 11, 2008 10:06 AM PST reply actions

Damn

Full report, please.

by Tom Ziller on Feb 11, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions

Slamson and guest hosting

Please! I so want to hear about your guest hosting shot and your whole Fat's house party experience, I've been waiting since Saturday to hear about this.

Blog it or respond to our enquiring minds here!

Did you have the guts to use Section 214's "Try our thick creamy shakes"? I have been totally unsuccessful in finding the post that started that non-sequitor!

C'mon, Muff! If not a full on Pookey style blog, at least tell us here!

I promise that LeaguePassAddict will show you pictures of her...
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kids, if you do!

Sorry, LPA, I was hoping he'd respond before scrolling but I have no excuse for using your children as bait.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 11, 2008 9:38 PM PST up reply actions

It's all good

They must be good for something beside slave labor and entertainment value.

My 7-year-old is dang funny.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 12, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions

Your 7 year old,

isn't the only funny one in your family. I really enjoy your posts!

And not just for the humor. Girl, you know some basketball!

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 12, 2008 9:28 PM PST up reply actions

Thanks

Nice to know I don't have to zip my head into my lunch box to get a laugh.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 13, 2008 6:55 AM PST up reply actions

Try our thick creamy shakes

KK,
Here is the genesis of the above mentioned slogan, the result of TZ's fatal decision to unleash me on the unsuspecting good people of StR -

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/story/2007/7/26/11252/7951

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 12, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions

Thank you!

for the link and the reminder of the Bobby Hurley debacle. So sad. So random. I remember the hope before the accident.

Thanks again, S214. You're awesome!

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 12, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions

Does anyone get along with Peaches?

Does anyone get along with Peaches? I mean, can't you just see the guy screaming at people all day? He screams at the gas station cashier, then screams at the Starbucks people, then on to the grocery store, bank, etc. Goes home, screams at his wife and kids. Wouldn't it be funny to put Peaches in a room with Ron Artest and Mike Tyson?

by Carl on Feb 11, 2008 10:49 AM PST reply actions

Cream? ... Herb? ...

That's all I got.

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 11, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions

Koz....

I have a buddy who used to work as a call screener/board operator for Koz. He loves the guy but told me that Koz has always wanted Grant's job as the lead TV play by play guy. Koz is also a bit of a Maloof homer, he does a lot of Maloof functions outside of the NBA, including the Monarchs. I like Koz but after meeting him in person, the TV/Radio persona doesn't shut off and it's a little annoying. These guys are just total opposites.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 11, 2008 11:10 AM PST reply actions

KOz

has always come off as a Maloof stooge with some NBA background experience. Grant, and Jerry moreso obviously, come off as NBA lifers. But Grant does his best to kiss the Maloof's ass too.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 11, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions

Yeah, we are probably talking about...

the difference between an "ass kisser" and a "yes man".

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 11, 2008 1:51 PM PST up reply actions

On TV

On TV, Koz comes off as more of a kiss ass and Peaches comes off as more of a yes man.

On the radio, the roles are reversed. At least in my opinion.

On KHTK Koz is shockingly different, Peaches is worse times one hundred.

I haven't listened to KHTK in a year, but the last time I listened to Grant you should never question the Maloofs or anyone in the Kings org or you will be labeled an idiot. And he will track you down and kill not only you, but your parents, and your children. And your children's children if they have any.

Koz seemed much more willing to question the status quo and that sweet sweet homer on TV has a potty mouth and a mean streak on the radio.

I should probably give them another try but damn, I just got the Rise Guys and RantLamb out of my head!

By the way, I think I was right when I predicted a year of Grant filled with references to Vladefest. Ick. "Well, when I was in..." "Jerry, you've never tasted a (fill in the blank) until you've had one in..." "Someday, Jerry, I'm going to take you to Vladefest so you can taste the (fill in the blank) that I ate at Vladefest, it's the best in the world" "I was invited to Vladefest and when they introduced Chris Webber and he told the audience they could call him Chris Webberovich, they lost their minds at..." Puke.

I wish sign lady would put up a picture of Grant in his dancing pants at Vladefest with a quote of "Shake yo' Peaches".

Really, I think I'd pay money to see that sign. Of course, that would have to be a nationally televised game because Comcast/Maloof SE wouldn't show it.

Somebody, make it happen!

For the record? I love Vlade. I just question two of his decisions. A) Going back to the Lakers. B) Inviting Peaches to his really deserved celebration.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 11, 2008 10:04 PM PST up reply actions

I have this problem with Koz...

I always kind of enjoyed his "Heck, I'm just a regular guy" schtick, but one night back in 2003, right after the invasion of Iraq started, Koz lost me for good when he decided to get up on a soapbox KHTK and gave this asinine rant about how all Real Americans knew the war was a great idea and supported George W Bush, while anybody who was against it was (and I quote) "a damn commie".

(He actually used that term, like it was 1958 or something).

Ever since then I've noticed little political comments Koz works into his talking points, and I realized he's one of those gated community wingnuts who called french fries "freedom fries" and thinks he knows everything about the world while living in a myopic little whitebread bubble.

Anyway, I notice Koz has yet to back up his talk by enlisting in the Marines, but if he's still interested in politics I'd love to here him apologize for:

A) using his hoops show as a political forum and going out of his way to insult a lot of his listeners and...
B) being such a clueless dumb-ass.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 11, 2008 10:39 PM PST up reply actions

Hey!

I live in a gated community...of course, that's to keep me in so maybe we're not talking about the same type of community.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 12, 2008 7:45 AM PST up reply actions

I knew it!

I was sooooo right about the "prison lingo" thing. Is "gated community" the new terminology?

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 12, 2008 12:09 PM PST up reply actions

Ha!

That would sure shed a different light on Mrs. section214, wouldn't it?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 12, 2008 12:12 PM PST up reply actions

I saw the girl in the background

But I didn't notice it was another woman she was with. I was wondering what the hell Koz was laughing at. On tv it just looked like a woman leaning up and kissing on whoever she was with (who was out of frame).

Also, I remember back a few years ago when David Stern was at Arco for a game and Koz did a sideline interview with him while wearing one of those hideous "Team Maloof" jerseys. The next day on KHTK a caller mentioned how ugly those jerseys were and Peaches said something like "Yeah, and I wouldn't be caught dead interviewing the commisioner with one". That was the first time I realized there was something going on between the two.

"Yankees Giants Giants Yankees Giants Giants Giants. Yankees."

by TerrenceLongsTaint on Feb 11, 2008 11:13 AM PST reply actions

You should be the formost expert on Grant...

since you are his taint.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 11, 2008 11:17 AM PST up reply actions

RE:

I saw this and was like "Is that really what I think it is?" I figured this was what Koz was laughing at.

by idjpg85 on Feb 11, 2008 12:10 PM PST up reply actions

Thanx for the pass along

of the Ballhype series (haha that's your job as Big Kahuna) but that was interesting analysis on the "Last Shot." I will definitely now have to go out & find that book to read as well. (As if I didn't have about 25 books to read as is.)

Scoop & Amick re-iterate common feelings around the front offices in the NBA about Artest, but I would also submit it's an attempt to get him at lower value than it would take if his shenanigans didn't always take hold.

Last but not least thanks for the link to "Empty the Bench" which was an interesting take on Brad Miller. I'm not sure what premium value would exactly mean when you trade Miller, but dumping his salary for the next 2 seasons would be a brilliant start. Oh wait I've already said that. DOH!

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 11, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply actions

The Last Shot

I made the mistake of reading newest to oldest and commented about this book on the post above. Sorry, TZ.

I really want to read this too and loved the ballhype link that I found elsewhere. So many of these players make more than we can imagine but come from so much lower than we could ever survive. And they end up leaving so many equally talented players behind them because they either don't have the brain, or the dedication, or they believe their hype before they achieve anything and find nothing at the end. Reading about the smartest kid and best player never making it out killed me, and to find out that the "marginal" to the story; the 4th best player made it more poignant. I really think it's more about who can be hustled and who out-hustles the hustlers. The three main characters got hustled, the minor 4th character out-hustled the hustlers to make it. Good for him, whether we like him or not. The dude made it and this book shows part of the reason why. Now I just hope the kid holds onto his millions and doesn't end up like Spreewell in a couple of years.
Sorry for the run-on sentence.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 11, 2008 10:53 PM PST up reply actions

Peaches and Koz

One is a brown noser and the other is an ass kisser. The difference? Depth perception.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 11, 2008 2:04 PM PST reply actions

Is one of them missing an eye?

I've heard that really screws with your depth perception.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 @ Sactown Royalty on Feb 11, 2008 2:10 PM PST up reply actions

Damn man

Damn.

by Tom Ziller on Feb 11, 2008 2:45 PM PST up reply actions

Sorry

But Gary Gerould, Jason Ross and Kayte Christensen would more than fit the bill for me.

The funny thing is, Peaches would be a lot easier to take as a game announcer if he just didn't come off as such a jerk on his radio show. Koz is probably OK, too, but he reminds me of the kid that always got everyone else in trouble while getting away clean. I don't know these guys personally and I'm probably way off, but that's the vibe I get.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 11, 2008 3:04 PM PST up reply actions

Tools

Peaches is the giant 24 bit socket wrench, Koz is the mini-screwdriver.

Seriously, Peaches grated on me before I ever listened to his radio show. He just grates harder now.

I thought Koz was a teddy bear when I first saw him on TV, then I listened to his radio show and thought...WOW, is this guy ever different from what I thought. But he's still the micro-tool to Peaches macro-tool to me.

Two tools, one much larger than the other. And I am not referring to their height.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 11, 2008 10:34 PM PST up reply actions

heheheheeeeeeeeeeeee

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 11, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions

Agree on Empty the Bench

outside of the last part of:

"K-Mart is now the team's premier scorer and has proven he can step up in crunch time."

Maybe he will step up in crunch time if Bibby and Artest are dealt. He'll certainly get the chance.

I'd live to see him bring it like he did in his first two games back from injury, when it seemed like he was operating in a totally different gear. That was really fun to watch.

NBA teams bide time in the early stages of games, and the defense is a lot more slack as teams play their subs more and are content to stay close. That makes it easier to put up solid numbers in the first three quarters.

The onus on Kmart is to prove he can be this team's prime time player when defenses stiffen in winning time.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2008 2:14 PM PST reply actions

Lebron Leads in 4th Quater Scoring

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2008/02/lebron_james_setting_record_fo.html

Story includes the top 10s historically and this year. Not quite sure where they got the info.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 11, 2008 2:29 PM PST up reply actions

Don't Forget

That game against Chicago last year where Speedracer sealed the win.

I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 11, 2008 4:53 PM PST reply actions

Ooops

Wrong thread.

I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 11, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions

Hey...

that "Empty the Bench" piece is a very smart and succinct outsider's perspective that I really appreciate. If any of you didn't see it,check it out.

Brian Spencer is right; we have a long way to go, guys. But I do believe we'll get there, (Geoff Petrie willing). Keep repeating this mantra: interior defense, rebounding, quicker, taller, more athletic.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 11, 2008 11:32 PM PST reply actions