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Deadline Day, Open Thread

Use this thread for all the deadline day chatter. I'll try to keep the body of the post updated. For instance:

Amick at 7:30 a.m.:

With the cutoff time at noon, there remains a possibility that the Nuggets relent on including Linas Kleiza and land Artest. If not, then they're bounced from the table altogether. Even if that leaves the Kings with no one to play with.

The Kings aren't trading Artest without Kleiza. It's just not happening.


He also says a Tyronn Lue deal (for a second or just trade exception cash) is likely.

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This means nothing in terms of what's going on today, but it needs to be posted (via TrueHoop):

If former Hawks forward Shelden Williams was looking for a mentor, he found one in rugged Sacramento forward Ron Artest. One of the NBA's most physical and intimidating performers, Artest said he's going to take Williams under his wing and help bring out the former No. 5 overall pick's physical side. "I like him," Artest said before Wednesday's game at Arco Arena. "He knows how to play. Now I'm going to teach him a few tricks and turn him loose on some people. Because he's got the size, strength and the skills he needs to be effective. He just needs somebody to help him with the little things."

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ESPN's Marc Stein doesn't think Linas Kleiza is getting traded, and therefore Artest is not going to Denver. He says there are rumblings w/r/t Philadelphia (?!).

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ESPN's Chad Ford confirms the Suns rumor (Artest for Atlanta's #1 and the Kurt Thomas trade exception) is in play from Phoenix's point of view. Depending on how Bibby works out, this could be a late lottery pick. The worst it could be is #18, with it likely falling #16 or #17 (those two picks are dedicated to the East's #7 and #8 teams). If they do tumble into the lottery, the pick'd likely be in the #10-11 range. I think, as of today, I'd prefer Kleiza and Denver's pick. But this isn't a bad option.

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Frank Isola of the New York Daily News mentions a possible Tyronn Lue-for-Fred Jones trade, which makes little sense because both are expiring contracts. I think the Kings would need a second-rounder back to consider this, since they have no need for either player.

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Update from Amick:

It really is quiet on both ends, I'm told. And for what it's worth, the Kings folks left a pretty clear message on their way out last night that they really didn't think Artest would be moved today.

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More Amick (same link):

[T]here are indications that - at the very least - the power struggle within Denver's front office continues.

And the owner's kid went to college with Linas, so there's the belief it won't happen if there are any doubts from George Karl or Mark Warkenstein.

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Amick says Denver still has not relented.

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Thirteen minutes until the deadline, and nothing.

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Amick update:

No call from Denver. Might still be a small deal for a Tyronn Lue type or maybe one of the other new guys from Atlanta. Ron Artest will be on this team tomorrow.

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Glad this is coming to an end
I need some sleep. Lets hope GP pulls through for us. I would be happy with Kleiza.
I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 7:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Free Artest
And obviously I never want to see Tyronne Lue in a Kings jersey much less wearing #10, a second round pick for him would be great.  And Artest as a mentor?  Who is running the asylum now?

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 8:06 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Poop Out of Denver
"Nuggets coach George Karl said he expects to have his current team for the remainder of the season."

http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_8320262

"With the NBA trade deadline at 1 p.m. today, Nuggets coach George Karl called it a "1 percent chance" Kleiza will be moved. Karl said he's "betting" against a trade."

The article says the Nuggets could try to get Delonte West, Sam Cassell or Kyle Lowry before the deadline.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/21/nuggets-unlikely-make-trade/

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of course this is the ultimate poker game
so who knows? I love it when GMs say, "We're not doing anything," thirty minutes before they announce a trade.

by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 8:21 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

3 hours, 40ish minutes and counting
Yeah, if I were a betting man, and I am, I'd bet on Artest not being moved and taking Shelden under his wing and teaching him how to mash. Which is fine I guess. Who better to teach you to be nasty than Ron Ron?
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by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 8:20 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I Guess
Ron just got his replacement for Justin in his posse. He can teach Shelden the finer points while they are out clubbing. Just don't tell Candace Parker.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd be ok with that
But at the same time I'm ready for something new. We know what Ron brings to the table. I'm ready to see the Kid we get with Atlanta's pick. At the same time, get minutes for Salmons, Hawes, Douby.
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by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 8:24 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did we just post at the same exact second?
If this was Halo I'd say you had the Host advantage since yours was first.
I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 8:26 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Artest
really good teach Sheldon to live up to his potential, that alone would make it worth keeping Artest until the end of the season. Here's my question. If you did resign Artest (and I'm not advocating it, but just if) couldn't you still use your mid-level exception on Udrih?

At that point you run into luxury tax issues, but the tax is higher than the cap and you have time to move other guys to balance it out.

by SavageBeast on Feb 21, 2008 8:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the only way this ends well
is if they form a hip-hop group rapping about huge foreheads and huge bank rolls.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 8:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From SI's Ian Thomsen
"Rivals have been speculating all week about another blockbuster that would send Sacramento's Ron Artest to Denver before the trade deadline Thursday at 3 p.m. ET.

Here's my question: What is taking so long?

It's a simple equation. If the Nuggets trade for Artest, they become a contender to run the table. If they don't make this trade, they'll be at best a second-round team, and more likely a loser in the opening round for a fifth successive year.

Trading for Artest would be a bold move, but the Nuggets have to go for it."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:29 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why all the hate?
Artest is the best player on the team.  Sure he's had a checkered past on and off the court but the guy is trying to reform himself.

How many graphics are needed to demonize the guy?  

I hope Ron gets an extension.

by KingsFan on Feb 21, 2008 8:50 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

News Flash
Dave, apparently you didn't get the memo. It takes choir boys to win in the NBA.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now you're just being a jackass
You could mention to DaveL how Artest's opt-out could leave the team with absolutely nothing in return for his talent. Or how a sign-and-trade after the season, or just a re-signing of Artest could limit any additional moves this team makes (including possibly resigning Beno). Or how Artest talked about retirement last year, or how he asked the team to trade him, what, a month ago?

Any of those would have worked. Maybe someone smarter here can help me - is coolcat's "choir boy" reference a strawman, ad hominem, or just ignorant sarcasm?

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Otis
It look like you just disqualified yourself from suiting up for the Kings.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:20 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You da man!
Keep up the good work - I'm sure there are a still a few people here you haven't pissed off.
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:25 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry
If you need a friend, get a dog.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is that an offer?
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:36 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And
As I noted in Pookey's diary, maybe the Kings can look to deal Salmons and Mikki for expirings, as they are expendable if Artest is resigned. I am sure there are other options Petrie is mulling that the fixation with dealing Artest is blinding us to.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's all three
Genius really. Even if he is being a jackass, he receives far more than he gives. After all, we put up with pookey, even though his arguments are a bit more sound.
I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 9:40 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Must be a slow news day
Ad hominem: attacking an opponent's character rather than answering his argument.

If you are keeping score, it seems like I've gotten a lot more of that than I've given back, with your jackass comment just the latest example.

A closed mind is a dying mind.
-- Edna Ferber

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Very true
I'm sure it's everyone else that has the problem.
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:54 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The only problem
is we disagree about Artest and you want to personalize it rather than talk pros and cons of an Artest deal.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:59 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way
Have you shown an "open mind" to the possibility that trading Artest is the right thing for the future of this franchise? If so, I've missed it.
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually
I have. You could look it up.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:57 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So your response to DaveL
Was just giving the needle to those that disagree with you...got it.
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 10:22 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's One Way to Put It
I guess it would be simpler just to go your route and call everyone I don't agree with a jackass.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:42 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right , I do that with everyone
Of course, you should be able to back that statement up, unless you're just talking out your ass.

Yep, thought so.

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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm going with sarcasm
Although, I'm not as in a hurry to deal Ron as some.  As has been noted, we can still sign and trade in the summer.  Today is not the final word on Ron in Sacramento.  So, while he is here, let's pray he keeps playing like a top 5 guy - cuz, let's be honest, who in the NBA has been all-around better than Artest the last ten games or so?  Guess, we will see once the deadline passes if this was just a mini-eruption to make sure he either (1) got traded or (2) remained.  Who f*ckig knows with him?

Regardless, if he stays, plays well, and keeps his nose clean, we have a valuable piece to play with this summer. (I realize that I just tossed out a lot of contingencies.)

His recent play has to make any of us who think we "know" what's best for the team pause for a bit. If it were such a no brainer, GP would have dealt him for nothing.  He hasn't - at least not yet.

p.s. Kevin is still finding a way to get his numbers despite the offense going through Ron; so that is a good thing to see. Maybe they can co-exist???  

by Kusian on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right, but look a little farther
Yes, Ron is the best player on this team.  But Ron is also expected to opt out of his deal this summer.  So we can either keep him as our best player for another 30 games or so, then get nothing for him.  Or we can trade him and get something, even if it is less than his current worth as a player.  The extra wins he gets us this year arent going to look very important when he's gone in the off season.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 9:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I admit I'm not the best at trade analysis
But if Ron does opt out isn't that the same as getting cap space?  If he opts out (and that's a big if since he has recently changed his tune) then we use that money we would have paid him to sign a free agent or something else.  I just don't see how we lose anything by not trading Ron.  The way I see it, he's the best deal in the NBA as far as contract/talent goes.  Why not ride with it as long as possible?  Maybe we can extend him cheaply too?  The guy is half the cost of Miller.  Why are we in such a hurry to chuck away a good deal?

by KingsFan on Feb 21, 2008 9:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cap space
Yes, with Artest leaving in the off season, we no longer have to pay him this 8 million.  But if we trade him for a young player, draft pick or trade exception, we STILL have that money to spend, and something in return.  Whether it be Kleiza, a few draft picks, or another young player, the Kings would still have the savings of Artest, plus something to show for it.  There really is nothing to gain by winning 5 more games this year.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 11:02 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The demonization of Ron Artest
Purposeful and hurtful. Sad but true. Look at his picture! He literally, and I mean literally, looks like the devil.
I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 9:43 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ron and shelden
Hey man, let's go to this place Muss told me about. If you give the girl a $5 bill, she sticks it in her cooter and sqeezes out singles to put in her g-string. I find that quite ribald.
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by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 8:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dallas needs a big man
Looks like Dallas needs a big man.  How about putting a cowboy hat on Lorenzen Wright and shipping him to Dallas for a second round pick?  Wright is still a serviceable player who is never going to get off the bench in Sacramento, and the Kings could probably just re-sign Justin Williams.

by Carl on Feb 21, 2008 9:10 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If that were at all possible
I would be obscenely happy.
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by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 10:07 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Real Question
How many points will Artest score against Charlotte Friday?
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My guess
732.
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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 9:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Red Bull Anyone?
86
I had never felt hate until 2002

by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 9:45 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill Simmons has some ideas
TRADE 2A: Sacramento trades Ron Artest and Shareef Abdur-Rahim to Golden State for Brandan Wright, Patrick O'Bryant and Austin Croshere.
Why Sacramento does it: The Kings save $8 million this season, pick up a valuable trade exception, dump Shareef's contract and pick up a lottery pick in Wright. That's a no-brainer. In fact, you'd have give Geoff Petrie a standing ovation for turning Artest and $18 million of washed-up guys (Mike Bibby and Shareef) into two high lottery picks (Shelden Williams and Wright) and expiring contracts. That's how it's done. By the way, I would sell high on Artest if I were running the Kings -- he's never played better and he's never seemed more sane, but deep down, we know he's not sane. That's why you trade him right now.
Why G-State does it: Because Artest fits in with everything else happening there -- he's crazy, he can play multiple positions, he can play any style, and he'd be absolutely devastating in NellieBall because of his unparalleled talent for guarding bigger players. At crunch time, the Warriors could trot out Biedrins, Artest, Jackson, Ellis and Davis and match up with any team in the West. ... Better yet, they'd be intimidating and nuts and unpredictable and everything else you'd want from a lower seed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere NEAR THESE GUYS if they had Artest. Besides, could you put a price on the emotional Artest/Jackson reunion, even if it only lasted for a few months? We'd have to put stun guns underneath the seats of the first few rows for every Warriors game. I can't handle the thought of Artest playing for Golden State; it's so exciting and crazy that I think I just peed on myself.
(By the way, I'm tired of reading the rumor that Denver could give up Linus Kleiza, Eduardo Najera's expiring deal and a No. 1 pick for Artest. Have you watched Kleiza? He's legitimately good and the Nuggets have him locked in at a cheap price. Yeah, Artest is a better player, but look at the strong personalities on that Denver team: Melo, Iverson, J.R. Smith, Nene, K-Mart ... and now you're throwing Artest into the mix and asking George Karl to somehow handle all of these guys? It sounds like a sick psychological experiment or something. I'd rather have Kleiza, Najera and my No. 1 over rolling the dice with that emotional rollercoaster of a team every night. We've seen what Karl does with crazy, headstrong teams. The results aren't pretty.)
Trade 2B: Houston trades Shane Battier, Kirk Snyder and its 2008 No. 1 pick to Sacramento for Ron Artest and a 2008 No. 2 pick.
Why Sacramento does it: That's a pretty good haul for Artest when he could bolt four months from now -- a valuable supporting guy at a fair price, along with a pick in the low 20s. So what if Battier went to Duke? You can't hold that against him. He didn't know any better when he signed there.
Why Houston does it: The deal knocks them under the luxury tax and makes the Rockets a little more interesting as a title contender -- they could go small with Artest at the 4 and/or run plays for him at crunch time, and he'd give them a fiestiness and an edge they don't quite have right now. The Rockets seem a little soft to me. I'm not saying it's Battier's fault, but he's the best trade chip for them because of his contract and his pedigree. You could always use Shane Battier on your team. I like this deal for both teams, actually.

I actually really like both of those trades, but the first one would be great.  Lets make it happen Petrie!

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 9:33 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SAME POST
TRADE 2A: Sacramento trades Ron Artest and Shareef Abdur-Rahim to Golden State for Brandan Wright, Patrick O'Bryant and Austin Croshere.

Why Sacramento does it: The Kings save $8 million this season, pick up a valuable trade exception, dump Shareef's contract and pick up a lottery pick in Wright. That's a no-brainer. In fact, you'd have give Geoff Petrie a standing ovation for turning Artest and $18 million of washed-up guys (Mike Bibby and Shareef) into two high lottery picks (Shelden Williams and Wright) and expiring contracts. That's how it's done. By the way, I would sell high on Artest if I were running the Kings -- he's never played better and he's never seemed more sane, but deep down, we know he's not sane. That's why you trade him right now.

Why G-State does it: Because Artest fits in with everything else happening there -- he's crazy, he can play multiple positions, he can play any style, and he'd be absolutely devastating in NellieBall because of his unparalleled talent for guarding bigger players. At crunch time, the Warriors could trot out Biedrins, Artest, Jackson, Ellis and Davis and match up with any team in the West. ... Better yet, they'd be intimidating and nuts and unpredictable and everything else you'd want from a lower seed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere NEAR THESE GUYS if they had Artest. Besides, could you put a price on the emotional Artest/Jackson reunion, even if it only lasted for a few months? We'd have to put stun guns underneath the seats of the first few rows for every Warriors game. I can't handle the thought of Artest playing for Golden State; it's so exciting and crazy that I think I just peed on myself.
(By the way, I'm tired of reading the rumor that Denver could give up Linus Kleiza, Eduardo Najera's expiring deal and a No. 1 pick for Artest. Have you watched Kleiza? He's legitimately good and the Nuggets have him locked in at a cheap price. Yeah, Artest is a better player, but look at the strong personalities on that Denver team: Melo, Iverson, J.R. Smith, Nene, K-Mart ... and now you're throwing Artest into the mix and asking George Karl to somehow handle all of these guys? It sounds like a sick psychological experiment or something. I'd rather have Kleiza, Najera and my No. 1 over rolling the dice with that emotional rollercoaster of a team every night. We've seen what Karl does with crazy, headstrong teams. The results aren't pretty.)

Trade 2B: Houston trades Shane Battier, Kirk Snyder and its 2008 No. 1 pick to Sacramento for Ron Artest and a 2008 No. 2 pick.

Why Sacramento does it: That's a pretty good haul for Artest when he could bolt four months from now -- a valuable supporting guy at a fair price, along with a pick in the low 20s. So what if Battier went to Duke? You can't hold that against him. He didn't know any better when he signed there.

Why Houston does it: The deal knocks them under the luxury tax and makes the Rockets a little more interesting as a title contender -- they could go small with Artest at the 4 and/or run plays for him at crunch time, and he'd give them a fiestiness and an edge they don't quite have right now. The Rockets seem a little soft to me. I'm not saying it's Battier's fault, but he's the best trade chip for them because of his contract and his pedigree. You could always use Shane Battier on your team. I like this deal for both teams, actually.

It's a lot easier to read broken apart like this.

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by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 9:35 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately
It looks like talks have stopped with G-State so unfortunately it looks like its Denver or bust.  On the flip side Baron Davis reads Simmons so maybe he'll let Mullin know that he should pull the trigger on this deal.

by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From ESPN's Chad Ford:
Will the Kings move Ron Artest before the trade deadline? That was a huge topic of discussion among GMs on Wednesday. The Spurs pulled out of the hunt when they traded for Kurt Thomas. The Nuggets are still in with an offer of Eduardo Najera and a first round pick, but up to now they have refused to include Linas Kleiza in the deal.

The dark horse in the Artest discussions may be the Suns. According to two league sources, the Suns have some interest in Artest. The team feels like they need to replace Shawn Marion's perimeter defense, and Artest would fit the bill. His ability to guard four positions makes him coveted, despite the concerns about his personality.

The Suns have a trade exception (which they acquired in the trade of Kurt Thomas to Seattle) which would allow Phoenix to acquire Artest without including other players in the deal. To make it happen, the Suns would likely have to include the first-round pick they acquired from Atlanta.

That's a high price to pay for Artest, for several reasons.

One, he has an early termination option at the end of this season, which allows him to become an unrestricted free agent. The Suns could lose him for nothing this summer.

Two, adding Artest to the payroll would be expensive. The Suns are already on course to pay the luxury tax -- so they'd have to pay a dollar for dollar penalty on Artest.

Three, he's extremely unpredictable. The Suns' chemistry is already a question mark with the arrival of Shaquille O'Neal. How would they work Artest into the picture?

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by thashizzz on Feb 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way
Our old friends Bobby Jackson and Bonzi Wells were traded for each other this morning.
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by thashizzz on Feb 21, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amick and the Spurs
For what it's worth, I did email Amick the link this morning to the Spurs article by Harvey saying the Kings never talked trade with the Kings.

I figured that Spurs stuff was just something Petrie fed him to pressure the Nuggets, but he says in his blog the rumor came from somewhere in the Spurs organization. Whatever.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 10:06 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow
Getting kind of contentious in here. Might as well stir the pot.

I agree with coolcat, who gives a shit if he's a nice guy? If he plays like he has been the past couple games on a regular basis, ron can punch a fan in the arena for every game the rest of the season while sodomizing a puppy.

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by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 10:22 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's changing the argument
Who stated that Ron Artest needs to be a nice guy? It's about RON'S OWN WORDS that he is opting out of his deal at the end of the season. It's about signing him to a long-term deal when his desire to be with this team seemingly changes month to month. It's about whether his abilities are worth that risk. And it's about how re-signing a Ron Artest affects every other move this franchise will make in the coming years. There's a lot more involved that saying "Ron Artest is a good player, so we have to keep him".

There is a very good argument to be made that Ron-Ron is worth the risk, and I totally understand that (and I wouldn't be horribly upset if they did keep him), - but I can see why the Kings are wary of the risks involved, and why other teams are similarly worried.

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by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 10:28 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LMAO
Thank you Muff, you made my day.
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by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 10:30 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Someone mentioned it
In last nights game thread. The bigger question is if Houston is positioning itself to go after Artest (if they are trading Brooks).
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by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

T-Minus
1 hour and counting...

by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:01 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

otis might need to switch to decaf.
Look, we've had the guy for the better part of 3 years, and if I've learned one thing about Ron it's that he says exactly how he feels, but he may not feel that way the next day. Is it frustrating? Hell yes it is, but at the same time, he's the right guy at the right time for right now. When did the climate in the NBA change to the point where if you don't think you're going to sign a guy you need to trade him and his expiring contract for 30 cents on the dollar? Worst case scenario, he still comes off the books at the end of the season. Yeah, a pick would be nice, but would you rather have another midteens pick or would you rather have a guy who's an undersized power forward taking our recently aquired top 5 pick undersized power forward under his wing, even if only for 4 months, and showing him the little things that help when guarding bigger opponents like Shelden will be doing most of his time at the 4 and/or 5?
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by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think otis'
Perspective is that it is better to get something instead of nothing.  As it stands it is rather obvious that we are in a complete rebuild.  Would you rather have some nice young talent to replace someone who is going to be leaving, or would you rather have a couple more wins and have our younger players play less.  We all realize Artest is very good and we will be worse without him, but we also realize we are rebuilding.  It is better to have something rather than nothing, Artest will walk because the Maloofs aren't going to go into the luxury tax range for a rebuilding franchise, especially with the way attendance is right now.

by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:27 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup
Your post sums it up perfectly.  
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 11:29 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Complete Rebuild?
I think keeping Artest shows Petrie is more in the rebuild on the run frame of mind. Keep the core, tinker around the edges, stay competitive and let time take care of the salary issues.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:49 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm on water today
But I think I really need some Tequila.  ;)

Again, I can see both sides of the argument here. I won't be crying if we get to keep a talented player on the roster. But there are dangers to keeping him, not just regarding his combustible nature, but what it's going to take to resign him in the offseason if he does elect to opt-out.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

billy king on espn
Is anybody else watching billy king on this trade deadline special and thinking that every time they throw it to him they should be required to say "and now, the guy who traded for chris webber and bought out his contract and traded awat allen iverson, the only guy who could once challenge Isaiah Thomas for worst GM in the NBA, Billy King"?
Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still no word about denver...
With 23 minutes until the deadline officially hits its looking like we'll have Artest for the remainder of the season...

Hopefully Artest's counseling of Shelden will alleviate the drop in draft slots we'll have from winning.

by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Surprised.
I am kind of surprised we haven't heard any deals about Lue by now.  Albeit would only be a 2nd round pick or cash, it seems odd that none of the playoff contenders have called and gotten their cheap backup pg.

by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Makes no sense
There was talk that teams wanted Lue and he's useless to the Kings.  Why is he still in Sacramento?  Smells a lot like stupidity to me.  

by Carl on Feb 21, 2008 3:58 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As The Addict Would Say
TickTickTickTick
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

resigning ron
Why are we worried about resigning him? There's no rule that says, oh, we kept you until the end of the season, we have to offer you 10 mil a year now. Just keep him and if (when) he opts out all we have to say is "thanks for teaching us defense ron, later". Not trading him has nothing to do with resigning him at the end of the season because we don't have to if we don't want to
Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 11:57 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think this franchise
Can afford to just give away assets (especially one as talented as Ron Artest) and get nothing in return?

Are we that good?

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 12:02 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If the Kings weren't serious about keeping
all the Hawks I don't think I would have minded Denver's offer in retrospect. I really don't want JR Smith or Eddie Najera in any way, but I do think the Kings could have benefitted from an extra pick if that was on the table.

I think the Kings are going to have lose Artest for nothing this summer. The cap is still too shaky for them to re-sign Artest or Beno Udrih. At this point Udrih is cheaper and less risky, I choose Beno.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 1:41 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Artest Would Have Been Traded, Except ...
Kings Assistant: Geoff, it's Denver on line 2.

Petrie: Please don't bother me again. Can't you see I'm busy trying to trade Tyronn Lue?

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:59 AM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Chad Ford Chat
Mentioned the possiblity of Cleveland trading for Ben Wallace (????)
Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 12:05 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep... from David Eldrige's blog
As the Akron Beacon-Journal first hinted at this a.m., and that the Four-Letter advanced, the Cavs, Bulls and Sonics have pulled the trigger on that big ol' three-way:

Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden to Chicago,

Ben Wallace and Joe Smith to Cleveland.

The Cavs' Ira Newble and Donyell Marshal, and Chicago's Adrian Griffin, to Seattle for Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West.

It's the very last name that makes me like this deal a little more for Cleveland. West can be a terrific guard for them playing off of LeBron and can knock down the open jumper. He also gives them size in the backcourt. Wally World is going to shoot 53, 54 percent from the floor until he dies, and certainly will spread the floor and give LBJ more driving room.

Ben is Ben. He's still a good rebounder. But he's not the man-on-man defender that he used to be, and he's a liability on offense. Maybe the Cavs go small at the ends of games. At the least, LBJ is surrounded by more veteran guys who've gone deep into the playoffs.

Chicago blows up a team that wasn't working, and gives Joakim Noah all the minutes he wants in the middle. Hughes can score, allowing Ben Gordon to come off the bench. Seattle continues to amass expiring contracts.

by KingsFan on Feb 21, 2008 1:12 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah
I like this trade for Cleveland, especially in a winnable Eastern Conference.
Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 21, 2008 1:15 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Wally can still shoot
The Cavs got themselves a decent deal. I think they're that tired of Hughes that dumping him made sense.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN Deadline Panel
Just concluded Denver was the day's loser for not pulling the trigger on Artest.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thought
If nobody stepped up to rent Ron Artest for a playoff run, how many suitors will there be to sign him to a long-term deal?

Maybe the same number: none.

He's really gonna be balling  for the rest of the season to try to change some minds, but in the final analysis, I still think he will stay with the Kings beyond this season.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 12:12 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we are that good
And would trading ron have made us that much better? All of the offers I saw were pretty much the equivelant of trading a steak dinner for a box of steak'ums. But the steak dinner will be gone at the end of the night, those steak'ums will feed us for a week! At the end of the day, it's still f*cking steak'ums.
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by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 12:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sticking to his guns
Good for Petrie. By not balking at Denver's mediocre offer he'll have the upper hand in future negotiations.

Go playoffs!

by matty on Feb 21, 2008 12:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Phoenix and Lue
They probably figured they could pick him up off waivers in a couple of days anyway.

If Lue gets waived, though, a team like Denver could beat them to the punch.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 12:21 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Kings Roster
The Core
  1. Martin
  2. Artest
  3. Miller
  4. Udrih

Part of the Future
  1. Hawes
  2. S. Williams
  3. Garcia
7a. 2008 Draft Pick

Expendable

  1. Salmons
  2. Moore
  3. A. Johnson
  4. Douby
  5. Lue
  6. Shareef
  7. K9
  8. Wright
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 12:35 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

artest
i honestly think he's making an effort to be more of a team player. his 3pt attempts per game for the season show that he's going with what he does most successful, driving the ball. here are his 3pt. attempts pg:

november: 4    @ 53%
december: 4.42 @ 24% (ouch!)
january:  3.5  @ 28%
february: 2.78 @ 48%

to me, these numbers show his tendencies in the game. a lot of those threes are shot when he's hogging the ball...i guess this is me just accepting that we're riding this season out with him. and i agree with earlier posts that his heart and work ethic will rub off on the youngsters.

by kingsfaninjapan on Feb 21, 2008 12:36 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

December
Kevin Martin missed 12 of 14 games in December. Kevin averages 4.78 three-point attempts per game.
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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 1:07 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And the conclusion of that is...
Martin missed games legitimately from injury.

Artest missed 7 games at the beginning of the season because he can't control his personal life. Then came back and immediately started jacking shit up.

Kevin Martin gets paid ot put up treys. Ron Artest is paid to play lock-down D.

I don't know what Kool-aid you're slurping man, but I sure hope you're right (your general assertion that Artest is worth keeping, I'm ignoring many other side commenting).

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 21, 2008 5:26 PM PST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This has to the nuttiest trade deadline
I can remember in a long time.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 21, 2008 1:17 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Delayed announcments
it looks like the Wallace to the Cav's deal did go through.

link

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 1:18 PM PST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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