Deadline Day, Open Thread

Use this thread for all the deadline day chatter. I'll try to keep the body of the post updated. For instance:
The Kings aren't trading Artest without Kleiza. It's just not happening.
He also says a Tyronn Lue deal (for a second or just trade exception cash) is likely.
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This means nothing in terms of what's going on today, but it needs to be posted (via TrueHoop):
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ESPN's Marc Stein doesn't think Linas Kleiza is getting traded, and therefore Artest is not going to Denver. He says there are rumblings w/r/t Philadelphia (?!).
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ESPN's Chad Ford confirms the Suns rumor (Artest for Atlanta's #1 and the Kurt Thomas trade exception) is in play from Phoenix's point of view. Depending on how Bibby works out, this could be a late lottery pick. The worst it could be is #18, with it likely falling #16 or #17 (those two picks are dedicated to the East's #7 and #8 teams). If they do tumble into the lottery, the pick'd likely be in the #10-11 range. I think, as of today, I'd prefer Kleiza and Denver's pick. But this isn't a bad option.
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Frank Isola of the New York Daily News mentions a possible Tyronn Lue-for-Fred Jones trade, which makes little sense because both are expiring contracts. I think the Kings would need a second-rounder back to consider this, since they have no need for either player.
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More Amick (same link):
And the owner's kid went to college with Linas, so there's the belief it won't happen if there are any doubts from George Karl or Mark Warkenstein.
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Amick says Denver still has not relented.-------
Thirteen minutes until the deadline, and nothing.
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Amick update:
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Glad this is coming to an end
by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 7:59 AM PST 0 recs
Free Artest
by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 8:06 AM PST 0 recs
The Poop Out of Denver
http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_8320262
"With the NBA trade deadline at 1 p.m. today, Nuggets coach George Karl called it a "1 percent chance" Kleiza will be moved. Karl said he's "betting" against a trade."
The article says the Nuggets could try to get Delonte West, Sam Cassell or Kyle Lowry before the deadline.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/feb/21/nuggets-unlikely-make-trade/
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:11 AM PST 0 recs
Of course this is the ultimate poker game
by SavageBeast on
Feb 21, 2008 8:21 AM PST
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3 hours, 40ish minutes and counting
by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 8:20 AM PST 0 recs
I'd be ok with that
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 8:24 AM PST
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Did we just post at the same exact second?
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 8:26 AM PST
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I Guess
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 8:24 AM PST
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If Artest
At that point you run into luxury tax issues, but the tax is higher than the cap and you have time to move other guys to balance it out.
by SavageBeast on
Feb 21, 2008 8:25 AM PST
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the only way this ends well
by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 21, 2008 8:22 AM PST 0 recs
From SI's Ian Thomsen
Here's my question: What is taking so long?
It's a simple equation. If the Nuggets trade for Artest, they become a contender to run the table. If they don't make this trade, they'll be at best a second-round team, and more likely a loser in the opening round for a fifth successive year.
Trading for Artest would be a bold move, but the Nuggets have to go for it."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/ian_thomsen/02/21/deadline.notes/
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 8:29 AM PST 0 recs
Why all the hate?
How many graphics are needed to demonize the guy?
I hope Ron gets an extension.
by KingsFan on Feb 21, 2008 8:50 AM PST 0 recs
News Flash
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 8:59 AM PST
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Now you're just being a jackass
Any of those would have worked. Maybe someone smarter here can help me - is coolcat's "choir boy" reference a strawman, ad hominem, or just ignorant sarcasm?
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:11 AM PST
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Otis
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:20 AM PST
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You da man!
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:25 AM PST
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Sorry
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:30 AM PST
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And
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:28 AM PST
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It's all three
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 9:40 AM PST
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Must be a slow news day
If you are keeping score, it seems like I've gotten a lot more of that than I've given back, with your jackass comment just the latest example.
A closed mind is a dying mind.
-- Edna Ferber
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST
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Very true
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:54 AM PST
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The only problem
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:59 AM PST
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By the way
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST
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Actually
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 9:57 AM PST
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So your response to DaveL
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 10:22 AM PST
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That's One Way to Put It
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 11:42 AM PST
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Right , I do that with everyone
Yep, thought so.
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:47 AM PST
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i'm going with sarcasm
Regardless, if he stays, plays well, and keeps his nose clean, we have a valuable piece to play with this summer. (I realize that I just tossed out a lot of contingencies.)
His recent play has to make any of us who think we "know" what's best for the team pause for a bit. If it were such a no brainer, GP would have dealt him for nothing. He hasn't - at least not yet.
p.s. Kevin is still finding a way to get his numbers despite the offense going through Ron; so that is a good thing to see. Maybe they can co-exist???
by Kusian on
Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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You're right, but look a little farther
by 27freethrows on
Feb 21, 2008 9:07 AM PST
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I admit I'm not the best at trade analysis
by KingsFan on
Feb 21, 2008 9:39 AM PST
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Cap space
by 27freethrows on
Feb 21, 2008 11:02 AM PST
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The demonization of Ron Artest
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 9:43 AM PST
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ron and shelden
by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 8:54 AM PST 0 recs
Dallas needs a big man
by Carl on Feb 21, 2008 9:10 AM PST 0 recs
If that were at all possible
by iashwash on
Feb 21, 2008 10:07 AM PST
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The Real Question
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 9:22 AM PST 0 recs
Bill Simmons has some ideas
Why Sacramento does it: The Kings save $8 million this season, pick up a valuable trade exception, dump Shareef's contract and pick up a lottery pick in Wright. That's a no-brainer. In fact, you'd have give Geoff Petrie a standing ovation for turning Artest and $18 million of washed-up guys (Mike Bibby and Shareef) into two high lottery picks (Shelden Williams and Wright) and expiring contracts. That's how it's done. By the way, I would sell high on Artest if I were running the Kings -- he's never played better and he's never seemed more sane, but deep down, we know he's not sane. That's why you trade him right now.
Why G-State does it: Because Artest fits in with everything else happening there -- he's crazy, he can play multiple positions, he can play any style, and he'd be absolutely devastating in NellieBall because of his unparalleled talent for guarding bigger players. At crunch time, the Warriors could trot out Biedrins, Artest, Jackson, Ellis and Davis and match up with any team in the West. ... Better yet, they'd be intimidating and nuts and unpredictable and everything else you'd want from a lower seed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere NEAR THESE GUYS if they had Artest. Besides, could you put a price on the emotional Artest/Jackson reunion, even if it only lasted for a few months? We'd have to put stun guns underneath the seats of the first few rows for every Warriors game. I can't handle the thought of Artest playing for Golden State; it's so exciting and crazy that I think I just peed on myself.
(By the way, I'm tired of reading the rumor that Denver could give up Linus Kleiza, Eduardo Najera's expiring deal and a No. 1 pick for Artest. Have you watched Kleiza? He's legitimately good and the Nuggets have him locked in at a cheap price. Yeah, Artest is a better player, but look at the strong personalities on that Denver team: Melo, Iverson, J.R. Smith, Nene, K-Mart ... and now you're throwing Artest into the mix and asking George Karl to somehow handle all of these guys? It sounds like a sick psychological experiment or something. I'd rather have Kleiza, Najera and my No. 1 over rolling the dice with that emotional rollercoaster of a team every night. We've seen what Karl does with crazy, headstrong teams. The results aren't pretty.)
Trade 2B: Houston trades Shane Battier, Kirk Snyder and its 2008 No. 1 pick to Sacramento for Ron Artest and a 2008 No. 2 pick.
Why Sacramento does it: That's a pretty good haul for Artest when he could bolt four months from now -- a valuable supporting guy at a fair price, along with a pick in the low 20s. So what if Battier went to Duke? You can't hold that against him. He didn't know any better when he signed there.
Why Houston does it: The deal knocks them under the luxury tax and makes the Rockets a little more interesting as a title contender -- they could go small with Artest at the 4 and/or run plays for him at crunch time, and he'd give them a fiestiness and an edge they don't quite have right now. The Rockets seem a little soft to me. I'm not saying it's Battier's fault, but he's the best trade chip for them because of his contract and his pedigree. You could always use Shane Battier on your team. I like this deal for both teams, actually.
I actually really like both of those trades, but the first one would be great. Lets make it happen Petrie!
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 9:33 AM PST 0 recs
SAME POST
Why Sacramento does it: The Kings save $8 million this season, pick up a valuable trade exception, dump Shareef's contract and pick up a lottery pick in Wright. That's a no-brainer. In fact, you'd have give Geoff Petrie a standing ovation for turning Artest and $18 million of washed-up guys (Mike Bibby and Shareef) into two high lottery picks (Shelden Williams and Wright) and expiring contracts. That's how it's done. By the way, I would sell high on Artest if I were running the Kings -- he's never played better and he's never seemed more sane, but deep down, we know he's not sane. That's why you trade him right now.
Why G-State does it: Because Artest fits in with everything else happening there -- he's crazy, he can play multiple positions, he can play any style, and he'd be absolutely devastating in NellieBall because of his unparalleled talent for guarding bigger players. At crunch time, the Warriors could trot out Biedrins, Artest, Jackson, Ellis and Davis and match up with any team in the West. ... Better yet, they'd be intimidating and nuts and unpredictable and everything else you'd want from a lower seed. I wouldn't want to go anywhere NEAR THESE GUYS if they had Artest. Besides, could you put a price on the emotional Artest/Jackson reunion, even if it only lasted for a few months? We'd have to put stun guns underneath the seats of the first few rows for every Warriors game. I can't handle the thought of Artest playing for Golden State; it's so exciting and crazy that I think I just peed on myself.
(By the way, I'm tired of reading the rumor that Denver could give up Linus Kleiza, Eduardo Najera's expiring deal and a No. 1 pick for Artest. Have you watched Kleiza? He's legitimately good and the Nuggets have him locked in at a cheap price. Yeah, Artest is a better player, but look at the strong personalities on that Denver team: Melo, Iverson, J.R. Smith, Nene, K-Mart ... and now you're throwing Artest into the mix and asking George Karl to somehow handle all of these guys? It sounds like a sick psychological experiment or something. I'd rather have Kleiza, Najera and my No. 1 over rolling the dice with that emotional rollercoaster of a team every night. We've seen what Karl does with crazy, headstrong teams. The results aren't pretty.)
Trade 2B: Houston trades Shane Battier, Kirk Snyder and its 2008 No. 1 pick to Sacramento for Ron Artest and a 2008 No. 2 pick.
Why Sacramento does it: That's a pretty good haul for Artest when he could bolt four months from now -- a valuable supporting guy at a fair price, along with a pick in the low 20s. So what if Battier went to Duke? You can't hold that against him. He didn't know any better when he signed there.
Why Houston does it: The deal knocks them under the luxury tax and makes the Rockets a little more interesting as a title contender -- they could go small with Artest at the 4 and/or run plays for him at crunch time, and he'd give them a fiestiness and an edge they don't quite have right now. The Rockets seem a little soft to me. I'm not saying it's Battier's fault, but he's the best trade chip for them because of his contract and his pedigree. You could always use Shane Battier on your team. I like this deal for both teams, actually.
It's a lot easier to read broken apart like this.
by 27freethrows on Feb 21, 2008 9:35 AM PST 0 recs
Unfortunately
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Feb 21, 2008 9:56 AM PST
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From ESPN's Chad Ford:
The dark horse in the Artest discussions may be the Suns. According to two league sources, the Suns have some interest in Artest. The team feels like they need to replace Shawn Marion's perimeter defense, and Artest would fit the bill. His ability to guard four positions makes him coveted, despite the concerns about his personality.
The Suns have a trade exception (which they acquired in the trade of Kurt Thomas to Seattle) which would allow Phoenix to acquire Artest without including other players in the deal. To make it happen, the Suns would likely have to include the first-round pick they acquired from Atlanta.
That's a high price to pay for Artest, for several reasons.
One, he has an early termination option at the end of this season, which allows him to become an unrestricted free agent. The Suns could lose him for nothing this summer.
Two, adding Artest to the payroll would be expensive. The Suns are already on course to pay the luxury tax -- so they'd have to pay a dollar for dollar penalty on Artest.
Three, he's extremely unpredictable. The Suns' chemistry is already a question mark with the arrival of Shaquille O'Neal. How would they work Artest into the picture?
by thashizzz on Feb 21, 2008 9:51 AM PST 0 recs
By the way
by thashizzz on Feb 21, 2008 9:54 AM PST 0 recs
Amick Update!
by CAB on Feb 21, 2008 9:58 AM PST 0 recs
Amick and the Spurs
I figured that Spurs stuff was just something Petrie fed him to pressure the Nuggets, but he says in his blog the rumor came from somewhere in the Spurs organization. Whatever.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 10:06 AM PST
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wow
I agree with coolcat, who gives a shit if he's a nice guy? If he plays like he has been the past couple games on a regular basis, ron can punch a fan in the arena for every game the rest of the season while sodomizing a puppy.
by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 10:22 AM PST 0 recs
That's changing the argument
There is a very good argument to be made that Ron-Ron is worth the risk, and I totally understand that (and I wouldn't be horribly upset if they did keep him), - but I can see why the Kings are wary of the risks involved, and why other teams are similarly worried.
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 10:28 AM PST
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LMAO
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 10:30 AM PST
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Someone mentioned it
by CAB on
Feb 21, 2008 10:48 AM PST
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Yeah
by Ziller on
Feb 21, 2008 11:08 AM PST
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especially
by kingsfaninjapan on
Feb 21, 2008 11:09 AM PST
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otis might need to switch to decaf.
by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 11:21 AM PST 0 recs
I think otis'
by moproblemz on
Feb 21, 2008 11:27 AM PST
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Yup
by 27freethrows on
Feb 21, 2008 11:29 AM PST
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Complete Rebuild?
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 21, 2008 11:49 AM PST
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I'm on water today
Again, I can see both sides of the argument here. I won't be crying if we get to keep a talented player on the roster. But there are dangers to keeping him, not just regarding his combustible nature, but what it's going to take to resign him in the offseason if he does elect to opt-out.
by otis29 on
Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST
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billy king on espn
by Muff209 on Feb 21, 2008 11:28 AM PST 0 recs
Still no word about denver...
Hopefully Artest's counseling of Shelden will alleviate the drop in draft slots we'll have from winning.
by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:39 AM PST 0 recs
Surprised.
by moproblemz on Feb 21, 2008 11:44 AM PST 0 recs
Makes no sense
by Carl on
Feb 21, 2008 3:58 PM PST
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As The Addict Would Say
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 21, 2008 11:54 AM PST 0 recs


