Post-Apocolyptic Footnotes

by Ziller on Feb 27, 2008 9:58 AM PST in Footnotes Comment 35 comments

How are those Reggie Rules going? The whole 'South Beach flu' thing, I thought, was a joke in this instance. Apparently not: "There was some question before Tuesday's game whether Ron Artest would be ready to play that night, as the Kings small forward had missed the shootaround that morning with what was deemed stomach issues and a headache." Awesome. It really was that at least one and likely more guys cared more about having a good time than getting closer to .500. Completely awesome. Glad the band stayed together.
A Mike Bibby poem.
Another thing about the South Beach flu -- who cares? It's not an excuse. The Heat were 5-27 at home before Tuesday. 27 times the opponent had all the trappings of Miami at their fingertips and still managed to beat the worst team in the league. Never mind losing by 20.
Can you tell I'm a little frustrated? I don't throw Guernica around lightly.
David Thorpe on Spencer Hawes: "Spencer Hawes continues to impress me with his scoring ability, but he hasn't shown me much else. Without a real commitment to reshaping his body -- and improving his agility -- this offseason, I worry that he won't find a place in the Kings' rotation next season." I tend to disagree a little on whether Hawes will stay in the rotation. For all the lip service paid to defense and energy by Theus, he plays guys who score (Garcia over Salmons lately, Hawes over the Williamses). Hawes can certainly score, and that alone will keep him in Reggie's good graces.

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Another Mike Bibby Poem

We loved you in purple Most of the time, But we really could live Without your "Team Dime." So on to the Hawks, The Joke of the South. At least you're away From Artest and his mouth. I hope you're successful, We don't miss you much. The Hawks soon will learn You're really not clutch. The trade was so needed The tide has so turned. We got us some cap room And Atlanta got burned.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 27, 2008 10:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Even Amick is depressed

C'mon guys, cheer up. We could've had Brent Barry!

Wait, I actually like Brent Barry. Hmmm....

Mikki Moore in the skills challenge! - LPA

by iashwash on Feb 27, 2008 11:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Don't go crazy TZ

I'm worried that if the Kings keep playing like this then you'll put up a Van Gogh picture and the next day we'll find out that you cut off your ear.

by thekangarooster on Feb 27, 2008 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

guys staying out late

Hey, I'm just glad that the coach isn't with the players sitting at the titty bar's tip rail with a dollar bill sticking out his fly.

Oh the Eric Musselman era...

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 27, 2008 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Re: Guys Staying Out Late

In the Bee, Theus compliments Hawes, noting that he was the only one who came to play. When you're 19 and ridiculously tall, it's harder to get the South Beach flu.

by Snakes in the Trees on Feb 27, 2008 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Amick Drops The Ball

What Mikki said: "I don't know what other guys did last night."

Apparently, either does Amick or anyone else, because Amick dropped the ball in his desire to get a "scoop."

The sentence missing from the story:

Asked if he and other players on the team had partied too much the night (or nights) before and taken the Heat for granted, Artest said, "XXXXX."

Come on, Amick, ask the question unless you don't have the guts to, but refrain from printing idle speculation in the meantime. Be a journalist, not a drama queen.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 27, 2008 12:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm???

What Mikki said: "I don't know what other guys did last night."

Asked if he and other players on the team had partied too much the night (or nights) before and taken the Heat for granted

In the immortal words of Dr. Hibbert, "I think that's implied."

by SavageBeast on Feb 27, 2008 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Implied

But far from proven. Asking the question would have added some additional light.

It's like a man coming home late and his wife speculating he was with another woman.

You guys lost to Miami? You must have partied too much. It's the only explanation.

I'm sure the Heat would like a little credit for breaking through.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 27, 2008 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Defnitely not proven

and my suspicion is that no one on the Kings would enjoy the locker room very much if they stated for a fact where people were the night before. But considering Mikki's comment and Artest's condition of "a headache and stomach problems" which were gone by that afternoon, I'd say it was more like a guy stumbling through the from door with alcohol on his breath, a bottle in his hand, and a g-string hanging out of his pants pocket, saying, "You can't prove I wasn't working late."

I'm not just blaming your boy Artest. Looked like quite a few players went to the club with him.

by SavageBeast on Feb 27, 2008 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who knew

It was easier to get into a South Beach club than an L.A. club?

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 27, 2008 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hawes

It's kinda of hard to go out and get drunk the nights before games when you're an awkward looking white 19 year old. "No really, I swear I'm in the NBA, let me in. Not all the white guys in the NBA have thic European accents, I swear!"

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 27, 2008 2:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Thorpe

Thorpe's correct that Spencer needs to improve his body. He is a skinny, gangly-looking teenager, who definitely needs to have a date with the weight room and the protein powder about every single day of this off-season. IMO, he needs to put on about 25 lbs. I actually think his agility is ok. His footwork in the block is actually good.

However, he is wrong about whether Hawes will be in the Kings' rotation: the NBA is a scorer's league, and he is always going to be able to score - too many tools inside and out not to.

by Kusian on Feb 27, 2008 3:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Picasso argued against Ron Artest 70 yrs ago

The Artest struggle is the fight of reaction against the people, against freedom. My whole life as an artist has been nothing more than a continuous struggle against reaction and the death of art. How could anybody think for a moment that I could be in agreement with reaction and death? ... In the panel on which I am working, which I shall call Guernica, and in all my recent works of art, I clearly express my abhorrence of the military caste which has sunk the Kings in an ocean of pain and death.

Via Wiki.

Picasso got it right. Artest is divisive.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2008 3:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Awesome

What a visionary Picasso was.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I got

Real depressed watching the Magic-Kings game

Do you realize that the Magig C of the future is Howard....And ours appears to be Hawes!!!!!

And they are damn near the same age!

That is some depressing ass shit!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Why are you

comparing Hawes to Howard? Do you want to be branded with things you probably don't want to be for stating something so out of touch with reality?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2008 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

All

I said was that is was EXTREMELY depressing

I wasnt trying to compare the skills of the 2 men.

I was just stating that as a Kings fan, it sucks not to have a player that other squads fans' aernt envious of in any way shape or form! (one could argue Martin, but then again, talented scoring 2's aernt too difficult to come by nowadays)

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not depressing

I could do the same thing with Bogut vs Howard. What's the difference between Bogut and Hawes at this point? 9 draft positions.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2008 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

umm

First off...Yeah, it sure as hell is depressing. Our C will continually get his head dunked on by more athletic big for years to come (ala Brad Miller). I (Kinda) like Hawes, but I dont see him as having a large ceiling due to his lack of athletic ability.

Secondly, once again your off base with your analogies. Bogut, although I dont mean to endorse him cause I'm not THAT impressed yet, plays the 5 position. This year he is averaging 13.4 ppg and 9.1 Rebs on 50% shooting. He pulled down 20 boards a few nights back. Not too bad huh? So...Yeah, I'd say that there IS a difference besides the 9 draft slots

I can only hope that one day Hawes can pull down 9 a night, going towards 10. But considering his lack of mobility/strength around the hoop, I dont foresee that happening.

And considering he is our C of the future, I'd like the Kings to finally have a big man who plays BIG. We avnt had one since Webb (pre-surgery of course)

I found this quote by Theus in the paper today pretty indicitive of our true weaknesses right now....... (Talking about Williams)

""He has something we don't have on this team," Theus said of the second-year player out of Duke. "Outside of Ron (Artest), we don't have anybody around the basket who has any physicality, and we need that. We need to have a strong presence down there. I told him that defense and (strong play down low) will get him moving forward right quickly."

Thats pretty bad when your ONLY player with any true physicality is a 3!!!!!!!

Thats why I said it was depressing watching Howard/Hawes and ondering the 2 teams' futures. My post wasnt meant to be confrontational or anything like that, just posting a quick thought. But you seem to find an argument out of anything. Cool Life Champ!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I had to start my team with any player

right now, Dwight Howard would top the list every time. That includes Kobe LBJ or any other name.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2008 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now

That I can agree with you on! (I may second guess Lebron every now and again tho)

Looking back on my comment, I could have substituted Howard with "Any young, athletic big" and it would have sufficed. I just dont want another Brad Miller (yes, I understand he is having a GOOD year) for the next 5-7 years. I like the idea of having a big man who plays BIG!

Maybe I'm just too optimistic..and it pains me to see franchises like the Magic who have these young (or relatively young) athletic/physical Bigs!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And..

When I say "BIG"....I'm talking about a 4 OR a 5 (ya know, the power positions)

Reflecting for a minute on my previous post, I dont think I'm being too optimistic. Below is a list of teams who I consider to have young (or relatively young) talented, athletic/physical BIGS

Magic, Lakers, Minnesota, Atlanta, N.O, Charlotte, Clips, Miami (I'm including Beasley on the roster), Mil, Phoenix, Portland, Utah, Houston, NJ (Kristic ???? Maybe)

and that lists does not include teams with talented, athletic/physical BIGS who are slowly getting older.

Denver, Boston, Detroit, IND, Spurs

Looking closely at my quick list. That puts us as one of 11 teams with no young (or relatively young) talented/physical BIG. And some of these 11 teams are already good (such as Dallas), so I can't feel bad for them.

Wow, now THATS depressing!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hoops I would like that too

The problem those are rare and hard to miss. Even the dumbest guy can pick a Dwight Howard (even if some people thought Emeka Okafor would be better).

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 27, 2008 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

Hopefully we can get our chance sometime in the next few years!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm...

not quite sure if you are being sarcastic or not (I had a long day!)

I compared the two because theyre similar ages and the fact that they are both the 5's of the future for their respective teams.

Difference being...Our 5 leaves little room for optimism in the up-coming years!

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 5:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hawes

If Spencer's upside is anything like Miller's, I'll take it.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 27, 2008 7:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shawes

Our 5 leaves little room for optimism in the up-coming years!

I hated the Shawes signing in the draft. Hated, hated, hated, hated, um etc.

But he's starting to win me over even with his limited minutes. He has great footwork for a 19 year old, he can score and he can pass. Not great, but promising for a kid who gets very few minutes, so I am optimistic.

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 27, 2008 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I

agree that he CAN be effective in the future...

But in order for that to happen, he will NEED a powerful/athletic 4 playing next to him because he simply isnt tough enough around the hoop. Granted, he is young and has time to grow and get stronger, but he's still a very slow jumper (if thats what he tries to do when he lifts both feet off the ground), which will never allow him to become an effective rebounder. You can teach fundamentals all day long, but if you arent quick off your feet and strong (if your playing the 5) you will simply get eatin up in the NBA.

by Hoops916 on Feb 27, 2008 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

So,

the Kings need a better 4 than Artest/Moore/Salmons?

Like Miller had before Webber went down?

Settle down, I'm just playing.

I agree with you, as he is now. No telling what he will turn into with time and better conditioning. It's too early to write him off the way you did. There is no Kings player who blocks more shots per 48 (tongue in cheek since he has a .29/9 minutes ratio). It's too easy to extrapolate that out to a meaningless 1.45 per 48 minutes. It's another meaningless stat, but it is encouraging.

Fun with numbers, yay!

God bless you, Corliss. You always played as though you knew how expensive my tickets were. -section214

by KK on Feb 27, 2008 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oooh

I think we've come dangerously close to a concensus here.

We need a power forward.

Anybody disagree? No? Good.

Moving forward.....

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

But moving forward we'll need a C as well!

Not another candy-ass who is afraid to mix it up a bit. Those only work if you have a True athletic/physical PF! Ala Divac and Webb

From your earlier statement you seem quite enamored with Hawes. I'm still optimistic he'll be a "decent" Big, but I can't stand much more of this BIG man making a living on the elbows shit we've been forced to watch the past few years

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I'm not enamored with anybody on our current roster, though I'm partial to Beno, Martin, Garcia and Miller.

All I said is that I think Hawes has upside and that we need a power forward.

And I wouldn't in a million years call Vlade Divac either physical or athletic. Talented, sure. Crafty, you bet. But athletic? I think even Vlade would laugh at being called athletic.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Read it once again

Read it again champ, I didnt call Divac athletic! I said that if you are going to have a softy big man (Divac) it is only effective if you have a athletic/physical PF (Webb, pre-knee issue of course). That one shouldn't have been that hard to figure out?

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

In your own words

Those only work if you have a True athletic/physical PF! Ala Divac and Webb

If you had stated it as clearly the first time as you did the second time, it would have been better. Don't jump my butt for responding to what you wrote instead of what you meant, Champ.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs