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Am I the only one who...
And I guess it's time to start getting used to more Quincy Douby. Hopefully Theus realizes soon that at best he's a backup two guard, and keeps him far far away from anything resembling ball distribution.
by Muff209 on Feb 27, 2008 8:51 AM PST 0 recs
Yeah
by Ziller on
Feb 27, 2008 9:05 AM PST
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Shame
Maybe they were tired, but come on, 2 field goals in the third?? they finally shot one with 2 or 3 minutes left in that quarter??
That makes me think we should give away miller and let artest walk away in the summer, so we can start fresh, with the future, something like portland is achieving.
I just hope they play harder in the games left to play.
by Kjack on Feb 27, 2008 9:15 AM PST 0 recs
Is Reggie's Curfew gone?
"I don't know what other guys did last night, but I think we just came out slow tonight," Moore said. "It worries me because every time we get close to .500, we always give up games that we're not supposed to lose."
Reggie came out so strong at first, I really hope he isn't losing this team.
by SavageBeast on Feb 27, 2008 9:50 AM PST 0 recs
we are tanking !!!!
by maiku on Feb 27, 2008 9:53 AM PST 0 recs
what?
What the hell are you talking about? Ahhh, one is a center and the other is a combo guard. Spencer is the 2nd best scoring big man we have while Douby is...well, I'm not certain what he brings besides an occassional outburst of 3 point shooting and poor ball-handling. Their minutes are not related.
Now, I'm with you about Cisco minutes. Salmons is playing himself out of the rotation these days.
by Kusian on
Feb 27, 2008 10:16 AM PST
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Maiku
I hope you meant the first three games after the Bibby trade but before the trade deadline.
The three games after the Bibby trade were wins (high points: Artest, Artest, Garcia), The three games after the trade deadline (all losses) are the games (high points: Artest, Shawes, Miller/Udrih)that came after Artest declared himself happy in Sacramento and the future centerpiece of the Kings.
by KK on
Feb 27, 2008 8:32 PM PST
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the curfew's been done for a while
That all being said, blaming the Miami night life if just an excuse. They didn't blame the Orlando nightlife for that loss and the lack of effort seemed suspiciously similar.
We'll probably have to start getting used to more losses like this since even mentioning the playoffs and Kings in the same sentence is laughable. Theus will take this opportunity to play other younger players that weren't fixtures in his early season rotation, like keeping Douby in instead of puttng Speedracer back in. It sucks, but we gotta see what these guys can do. Hopefully Theus works this rotation out a little better than he has the last couple games, but again, it's not like it's killing our playoff hopes anyways.
by Muff209 on Feb 27, 2008 10:02 AM PST 0 recs
Blowing off steam is one thing
As a rookie coach (whether he wants to be called that or not) Reggie's grip on controlling this team is tenuous at best. Things could go down hill quite quickly if he doesn't find himself a pair soon.
by SavageBeast on
Feb 27, 2008 10:23 AM PST
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What I'd like to hear
How do you defend a guy who blows off practice (this wasn't the first time) or refuses to let the coach take him out of a game?
Explain to me how this kind of player is NOT detrimental to the team's chemistry. Explain to me how a veteran player is justified in undermining his coach to this extent. Tell me why, exactly, you feel that Artest should be excused from following the same rules as everyone else.
Because the only excuse that I can see is that we were unable to trade Artest because of his well-documented emotional instability, and everybody from Petrie on down has to walk on eggshells around this guy to keep him from totally going off and destroying whatever value he might have to another team.
Anybody have a different take? Anybody want to set me straight?
by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 27, 2008 2:14 PM PST 0 recs
crickets
by KK on
Feb 27, 2008 8:35 PM PST
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By That Same Rationale
Re: Artest, it's unclear that he "blew off practice." Maybe he was sick and told Reggie and Reggie let him off.
It's an 82-game season that lasts six months. How many practices has he missed, and how many were excused? What specifically has he done after he returned from the season-opening suspension to make you have a cow?
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 27, 2008 2:31 PM PST 0 recs
Not the same thing at all
It's also not the same as refusing point blank to leave the floor when the coach is trying to make a substitution, forcing JWilliams to run off the floor, and forcing Theus to call a time out.
And if Artest was sick in the morning yesterday, he shouldn't have played last night, unless it was indeed a case of SouthBeach Flu and he needed time to get over his hangover. He certainly didn't help the team on either end of the court.
So once again, justify the behavior. Not having a cow here, I just want to know how you think that this kind of thing doesn't hurt the team.
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 27, 2008 2:41 PM PST
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Mikki was fined,
by KK on
Feb 27, 2008 8:36 PM PST
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Let Me Summarize
And he had the audacity to play in the evening when he was sick in the morning. Some folks would call that sucking it up. I recall Brandon Roy playing against the Kings at less than 100% recently, but I guess if you had been McMillan, you would made him sit out that night. Right.
by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 27, 2008 4:03 PM PST 0 recs
You're not answering the question
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 27, 2008 4:14 PM PST
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I don't kniow about KK
by pookeyguru on
Feb 27, 2008 4:18 PM PST
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Actually
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 27, 2008 6:57 PM PST
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KK
Is it true?
-Hopeful Optimist (and happy oxymoronist).
: )
by KK on
Feb 27, 2008 8:43 PM PST
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Sorry KK
by pookeyguru on
Feb 28, 2008 2:27 AM PST
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Dang it!
by KK on
Feb 28, 2008 9:47 PM PST
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It's ok
You do dishes, right? (But, hey, watch the knives!)
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 29, 2008 7:28 AM PST
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I do dishes...
Shoot, if I could live in a rent-free opulent basement, I might even wash the family cars without complaining.
Plus, I'm pretty much in line with the family Kings philosophy already.
-Hopeful adoptee
: )
by KK on
Feb 29, 2008 10:04 PM PST
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The Dean's List
I also think the entertainment industry, of which the NBA is a part, is a little unusual in that the stars are making so much more money than some of their bosses and some of their co-players.
I assume that top-level executives in the corporate world are treated better than the janitors at the same company. There is a similar double-standard in the entertainment industry. In the NBA, though, even the "janitors" (ie. Douby) are paid pretty well.
It really comes down to performance in any kind of evaluation. You weigh the good and the bad, and if the good outweighs the bad, you keep the employee, and vice versa.
Unless your kids are making $7 million a year, it's probably best to keep them out this. But if you are looking for a similar example, you might consider a kid who makes the dean's list but is caught ditching school.
Ron Artest is on the dean's list of small forwards in the NBA, his effort in the court is generally outstanding, and I don't think the incidents you have mentioned warrant dismissal.
Persist if you must, but I have learned it's best not to tug on Superman's cape or to try to win arguments with savage gerbils.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 28, 2008 5:16 AM PST
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I'm biased, but you're not?
As far as Artest's performance, my perception is that Artest performs when Artest wants to perform. Right after Bibby got traded, he was stellar. But since then his shot selection has been poor, his defense has been, at best, porous, and his mouth has been running. (The bloggers hate me. Jesus wore sandals. I'm Kraft.)
And I evaluate Artest's worth based, not only on his individual performance, but also on how he affects the team as a whole. I'm a Kings fan, and I've been one since they came to Sacramento. I've had players I've liked, and players I've disliked. Pete Chilcut comes to mind as a player I actively disliked. I groaned every time he came on the floor, because he made Mikki Moore look like VelcroMan.
My opinion is that Artest's behavior is bad for the team as a whole, and the young players in particular.
Regardless of how much money he makes (that's a totally specious and irrelevant point) how do you justify the behavior? It's a question I've asked three times now, and you still haven't answered it.
Unless you consider minimizing the behavior and making excuses justification.
For the record, I do have a child who is on the honor roll and was caught ditching school (by me) and I took away car keys and cell phone for a week, and assigned multiple chores to make sure that the message was crystal clear-- that certain types of behavior are unacceptable.
And calling us savage gerbils is nasty and petty. If you can't have a conversation about basketball without ad hominem attacks, then, again, don't bother to reply to this post.
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 28, 2008 7:15 AM PST
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Corrections and differences of opinion
I've said earlier that Ron is not in the top 5 of the league's 30 starting small forwards, but is somewhere in the top half. Probably somewhere in the 8-12 range is where I would put him.
He's also probably in the top 50 of all NBA players. Not an All-Star, but overall, a solid player who can make a difference on both ends of the court. I can't imagine what the Kings record would look like this season if he were not on the team.
I've also said I am not against moving him if we can get something decent in return. You, on the other hand, would just as soon give him away for nothing. Big difference.
On the other points, let's just say we disagree. I don't view his behavior as negatively as you do and I don't agree with you on what you feel is his negative effect on the team's chemistry. And frankly, I don't think either one of us is close enough to the actual situation to accurately judge.
But, hey, if Reggie can take away Ron's car keys and cell phone and that will make you happy, I'm all for it.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 28, 2008 7:55 AM PST
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Savage Gerbils
Gerbils I got from a sale book by Stephan Schiffman, a noted sales trainer. Basically they go round and round the cage all day and never get anywhere. You can read Schiffman's take on gerbils at these links:
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 28, 2008 8:40 AM PST
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Yeah
Your tone is offensively condescending, and I couldn't possibly care less about your links in reference to gerbils. It was name-calling, and therefore rude.
You want to make this argument personal, but it's not. I think Artest is bad for the team. You think he's the savior, and as one holding that opinion, you are willing to turn a blind eye to his, (euphamistically speaking) eccentricities.
As far as being willing to let him go for nothing, I was the one who wanted to trade him. But now it's entirely possible that he'll opt out at the end of the season and we WILL get nothing. So that argument doesn't hold water, my comments about stale Twinkies notwithstanding.
Flatly stated, my opinion is this. Artest is bad for the team because he is not coachable and can't be held accountable for his bad behavior because he'll explode. I wish with every fiber of my Kings-loving being that he had been traded, but at this point, seeing him walk away and getting nothing for him would be far preferable to me than keeping him long-term.
That you disagree, I know. We all know at this point. I just can't understand how a person's talent excuses being a disruptive force. And you never answered my question, unless you consider calling me a gerbil is your idea of cerebral argument.
by LeaguePassAddict on
Feb 28, 2008 9:23 AM PST
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Well
I would correct you on one thing: I don't view Ron Artest as the Kings savior. Naturally that's the way you want to spin it despite what I've actually said, but you are just plain wrong.
We also all know how you feel. Carry on.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 28, 2008 12:04 PM PST
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Come on coolcat
Are you on his payroll, or just trying to be?
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Feb 27, 2008 6:49 PM PST
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