The Future is A Week Ago

Wow...

two expiring contracts and a first round pick look really, really, really great right now.

by vfettke on Feb 28, 2008 7:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

And they looked good a week ago too. Petrie was just too blind and paralyzed to see it.

by Carl on Feb 28, 2008 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who Wanted Artest?

Did I miss some news here? Before GP is thrown under the bus, I would like to know which lucrative trade offer was rejected.

by aspen on Feb 28, 2008 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Umm...

Artest to the Nuggets for Smith, Najera nad first rounder

by vfettke on Feb 28, 2008 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I doubt

Smith AND a 1st rounder were included

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Um

It was rather widely reported all last week Smith, Najera, and a first was Denver's offer.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It was also reported

The Spurs were interested in Artest. Turned out to be a false report. So who knows what the Nuggets were actually offering. It does seem likely that Kleiza was the sticking point.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 1:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Different

It was reported by one reporter (Sam) the Spurs were interested with another (Chad Ford) saying the rumor was out there.

Two Denver papers, the Sacramento paper, and ESPN all reported Denver had offered the expirings + first-round offer, and that the Kings were holding out for Kleiza.

Slight difference.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

I knew there had been talks, but I always thought Denver was reluctant to throw in Smith..

Regardless..I'm glad we didnt..We already have a log-jam at the 2-3

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're glad..

..we didn't, because Smith would take minutes from Douby... never mind the iceberg that is Artest staring down the Good Ship Sacramento? Reshuffling deck chairs, are we?

Smith was the necessary expiring contract to pair with Najera.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I

still think we can get something good for Artest via sign and trade. Although, that doesnt seem to be the popular opinion around here

I actually like Smith's game but he has character issue concerns as well. (not as many as Artest though)

About Douby...I'm just not sold on him quite yet TZ. He's got a good shot and long arms but I dont like tweener's like him who can't really play either guard position. Most tweeners can at least play 1 of the 2 positions somewhat effectively, I just don't see him doing that. Only time/playing time will tell though. Although, I'd rather have him earn it in practice as opposed to shipping away quality players/trade bait (in Artest's case) in an effort to give him a "chance"

The draft pick would have probobly been in the low 20's as well cause I see the Nugs making a run in the playoffs

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

petrie's

failure to pull the trigger just paralyzed this team (and coach) for another year. Artest would be a fool to opt-out this summer. With barely anyone under the cap he will not get anything more than a mid-level exception and I don't see anyone signing him for anything longer than a 3 year contract. Congraduations boys, we just extended this party by another 12-15 months!

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 28, 2008 5:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The optimist in me

is hoping you are wrong. After last year, I was pretty down on this team, but for the most part, I have been pleasantly suprised. We have a lot to build on, but we need to lose Artest ASAP. I wouldnt want to sign him to a 3 year deal for the league minimum.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 29, 2008 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The trade...

It's the trade where the Kings actually get something for Artest instead of letting him walk for nothing.

by Carl on Feb 29, 2008 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He

Wont walk for nothing carl.. GP can't let that happen!

by Hoops916 on Feb 29, 2008 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

There isn't a sign & trade

this team can take (assuming Artest gets more dollars) that doesn't put them in luxury tax territory.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Starting to wonder

If that isn't the best option at this point? As pookey notes, a sign-and-trade is a difficult option for ownership, as it's doubtful that Artest would take a similar salary to his current. Otherwise, why opt out at all?

Maybe he would consider a similar salary if it's a longer term deal, but that might sour potential trade partners who would rather pay a higher annual for a shorter length contract. But that would put the franchise in luxury tax territory.

So in my mind, we either let Artest walk or hope he doesn't opt out, and try to trade him again down the road.

Difficult options, to be sure.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 29, 2008 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

For anybody who thought

that 2 expiring contracts and a 1st round pick was a low offer; they obviously won't be too prepared for the upcoming summer.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think there is at least a 50-60% chance

he walks for nothing. But I can see a couple of scenarios where he doesn't that wouldn't push us into the luxery tax. One is that Ron's agent doesn't get the interest he expects and decides to have Ron not opt out. Then I think we could at least get a draft pick and expiring/s out of the deal.

The second is a sign and trade that most of us agree is difficult to pull off at best. The thing is, this is not a typical S&T situation. Nobody has the big bucks that Ron wants, and even teams that have those bucks aren't likely to spend them on someone with Ron's history.

That being said, it moves back to a much more typical trade scenario. A team might take a chance if they don't have to add his whole salary, so an S&T is much more palatable. And I honestly don't see any team taking on more than $7-$8m on someone as unpredictable as Ron.

Nothing is normal in the world of Ron Ron.

by SavageBeast on Feb 29, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ease up

I dont think its as catastrophic as you make it out to be TZ.

Quite frankly, Petrie knows good and well what he is doing. I honestly do not believe that he truly believes Artest will sign with the Kings for the long-term. I believe he will attempt to shop Artest in the off-season through a sign and trade. Assuming we get something back in return, it beats the shit out of the TRASH that the Kings were getting offered for him last week. (at least what those of us "outside" the organization believe GP was getting offered).

I agree with Marty Mcneal, in his article from this mornings Bee, that the Kings are not THAT far away. We NEED a low-post presence in the worst way, and I think Artest's talent warrents legitimate sign and trade bait to fill that void.

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

to look at it completely objectively

people, things, objects, etc. are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them. You could have a Barry Bonds rookie card that Beckett says is worth 300 bones but if you can't find anybody willing to pay more than 10 dollars for it, then its worth 10 dollars.
In the case of Artest, last week he was worth expiring contracts and a first round pick, I really don't think (as in the case of Memphis) there was a better offer out there that Petrie didn't take the time to see. So how on earth is his play right now INCREASING his trade value for the off-season? The Artest offers are only going to get worse if things stay the way they are now.

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 28, 2008 5:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And ...

As far as the players being too hung-over to play in Miami....I agree that that is some B.S, but one has to assume its true (why wouldnt it be true. They are million dollar athletes in Miami with hot ass wanting them in some of America's best night clubs. Not to mention, were not exactly in any playoff races. Shit, I can't even really blame them.)

Being too hung over to play is pretty bad though, but these tyes of things have been goin on for years. I dont see this as a Theus or Musselman issue, its just human-nature fellas. And it not new!

Remember the L-Train missed a few games cause he had messed up his right thumb...From playing PAPERBOY on the Friggin Nintendo...True Story!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 8:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hoops

I'd probably be singing a different tune and eating some serious crow if Ron were leading us to the playoffs since not being traded.

But the thing is, all of this has happened since we made the comitment to keep him. It's not just partying the night before a big game, it's not just skipping practice, it's not just demanding the ball, it's not just yelling at the coach and refusing to leave the game. It's that all this happened since we didn't trade him--and he's playing like crap! A time when he should be showing loyalty and earning a new contract.

If you don't think other GMs don't notice this too, your drinking Ron Ron's Kool-Aid. That gaint sucking sound you hear is Ron's value going even lower if that is possible.

Mark my words. This could get very ugly, very fast.

by SavageBeast on Feb 28, 2008 8:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

My guess?

Ron-Ron feels that he boxed himself in by saying he wouldn't opt out. He's going to create some dissension between himself and Theus (or Petrie or the Maloofs or his teammates), so he has an out to change his mind at the end of the season.

If actions speak louder than words, then what do Ron's actions of the last week show you??

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 8:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Otis

If actions speak louder than words, then what do Ron's actions of the last week show you??

That ron is an inconsistent inconsistently nutjob fruitloop.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hoops

Miami had 5 home wins coming into the Kings game...5!

Evidently, most of the other teams in the league have figured out how to control themselves in Miami.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

By

no means am I trying to defend the Kings actions out there Otis. The Kings should have stomped on the Heat!

We just suck...plain and simple...We have 1 (possibly 2 if you consider the future of the PG position) glaring problem, and until we address it we will continue to be an inconsistant team.

I agree, theres no excuse for losing that game!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This whole road trip

Has been such a downer. Losing close games is one thing, getting your doors blown by inferior teams is another.

This team needs to string a few decent performances together to get that good feeling back they had a week or so ago.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hoops916

I agree with Marty Mcneal, in his article from this mornings Bee, that the Kings are not THAT far away. We NEED a low-post presence in the worst way, and I think Artest's talent warrents legitimate sign and trade bait to fill that void.

Or

We just suck...plain and simple

Which is it?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

LeaguePass

We suck because of our inconsistancy!! How else do you describe beating the amount of top teams as we have and then again losing to such JV squads as Philly and Miami?

We have NO 4. I love Mikki for his intangibles but he does not compliment Brad well. Its OK to have 1 softy big man, only if the other big can play BIG. Right now we are screwed because both of our big men are candy-asses. (the fact that Brad is a candy-ass takes nothing away from the good year he is having). these 2 men simply do not compliment each other well!

I like Beno's game alot but as of right now, he too is inconsistent. Granted, he is young and still adopting to his role as "Our #1 Pg", so I dont hold him too accountable. I have a feeling he'll turn out fine for us!

So thats why I agree with Marty Mcneal AND still think that we suck right now because of our inconsistancy.

I'm not worried about Beno's future (if we can sign him). Assuming he continues to grow and develope I dont see any harm in trying to sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal and see where that takes us.

As far as our BIG's are concerned. One of them must be placed on the bench (preferably Mikki) and replaced by a BIG in order for our team to compete.

Right now we are solid 1-3 and either 4 or 5! Replace one of those two and we'll have a starting 5 that can compete and we'll have a solid bench. I don't think we are that far away, but our inconsistancy results in our team sucking!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just my opinion

But our inconsistent play can be blamed more on the 3 than either the 4 or 5.

Good Ron vs Bad Ron. Guess who showed up in Miami the other night?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True

he played bad ron that night in Miami. But I dont think there is any doubt that he has been ballin his ass off lately. I dont know what the hell is going on with Martin and Salmons is looking more and more like a head-case.

Fact of the matter remains, we should not have let the Hawks run up as many points like that as they did last night. Granted, they were hittin their open shots. But I'm sure EVERY big man licks his lips when he sees the Kings coming to down. Our 4 and 5 get eatin up down low. Theus just said that our only player with any physicality is Artest. Take a minute and think about how ridiculous that sounds?!?! Thats similar to a coach saying that the only player on the team who can dribble the ball upcourt is our SF, cause our guards can't do it! Unreal!

When our bigs dont play BIG, it breeds inconsistancy!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't you think

That our inconsistent play could, perhaps, even to the tiniest degree, be attributed to the psychopath who screams at the coach, gets hungover and dogs practice, and won't let himself be pulled out of the game?

Agreed we need an upgrade at the 4. That's been the case ALL SEASON LONG. Why are we suddenly, what was your eloquent term, SUCKING?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

hmmm

hmmm... Gets hung over and dogs practice?!!?!?! I'm sure he MAY have gone out and partied in Miami, but I guarentee you he wasnt the only one doing it. And every article I've read all year has clearly stated that he is the HARDEST working guy on the team. Including all the old cliche's about being the first one there, last to leave ect ect. (Not sure if thats the truth, but thats what gets reported)

Fact of the matter is....Champ! that you don't know sh*t and I highly doubt you have close ties to anyone affiliated with the team. After glancing over your last post once again, it seems as if your basing your entire argument (hung-over/dogging practice) off of an assumption. One that clearly doesnt hold enough evidence to be regarded as a matter of fact! I figured an amateur such as yourself, who attempts to goof on me for using the work "suck", would know better than to do that!

And what hell are you talking about with this great analysis..

"Agreed we need an upgrade at the 4. That's been the case ALL SEASON LONG. Why are we suddenly, what was your eloquent term, SUCKING?..

What does that even mean?!?!? Maybe you can refresh the memories of STR nation. Suddenly sucking???? When was this imaginary period you have in your head when we were good? Sh*t, have we been .500 at any point this season

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shame on you, Hoops

For daring to look for the middle ground.

Don't you know this is LynchRonTown Royally?

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

This type of post

is just uncalled for, and pretty offensive.

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 28, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont..

feel its nearly as offensive as your Bibby bashing has been over the past year. Just a thought?

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

KingsFan in Korea

See my comment below (under TZ's post)please!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The...

... next time you accuse anyone here of wanting to lynch someone, or the next time anyone says they want to lynch someone... well, that will be the last time that comment is made.

Good?

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

FYI

I retract my comment about the Bibby thing KFan in Korea. I didnt read the quote you were referring to man. completely Agree with you! I thought you were saying my quote was offensive!

Thanks for handling that the right way TZ!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotcha

No sweat. You aren't breaking rules adopted during the Citrus Heights Convention.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 3:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No worries

For the record. I don't believe I ever resorted to name calling of either Bibby or anyone that defended him. I had an opinion, stated it and tried to back it up with stats where I could.

Actually my opinion of Bibby is very similar to my opinion of Artest and Miller for that matter: Thanks for your contributions, but I don't see you as a piece of our future, so the sooner you go, the sooner we can get on with rebuilding.

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 28, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you TZ

there is absolutely NO PLACE for language like that. I commend you for acknowledging the problem quickly and harsly.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 29, 2008 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

StR

Where stupid harsh language isn't tolerated, but goofy brilliant pictures are. :)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 1:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

And your credentials would be......?

No, Hoops, I'm not close to anyone affiliated with the team, I simply read the same articles that everyone else has and have formed some opinions.

I wasn't aware that I needed an "in" or an NBA credential of some kind to have an opinion.

My basis for saying that suddenly we're sucking is that Miami KILLED us and Atlanta put up three 30+ point quarters on us last night. Our power forward situation hasn't changed in the last couple of weeks, but the way Artest is playing has.

You can attack me all you want, calling me Champ and telling me that I don't know sh*t, but the fact of the matter is that I'm stating an opinion based on what I've read, and said opinion disagrees with what you think, therefore you attack me.

This conversation isn't personal, and I haven't resorted to calling you names or denegrating your posts. But I'm not going to back down on my belief that Artest is bad for the Kings, no matter how many times you and coolcat spew your vitriolic posts all over StR.

For the record, I've never said that Artest isn't a talented guy, because he is. I also believe that he works very hard when he feels like it.

My point is that while others will make "boys will be boys" excuses for Artest's bad behavior, I firmly believe that where much is given, whether it be lucrative contracts or God-given abilities, much should be required.

If you personally want to give Artest a pass for his misdeeds, feel free. Just don't ask me to do the same.

As far as basing my entire argument off of an assumption, that's true. I'm not the only one who's done that, though. Why don't you tell TZ he's full of sh*t, too?

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Excuse me

You're the one who called him "Champ," and that's why he got pissed off. You might have been too busy polishing your halo to remember that, though. You're certainly no slacker in attacking folks or making things personal.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh for pitty sake

Re-read the posts. He called me champ first, though it may have been in a different thread.

I've never claimed to have a halo, all I ask is that my opinion be respected for what it is--my opinion.

I don't call names, I don't make personal attacks, and I don't use profanity.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just

when I was starting to somewhat accept your sappy little post, you go and make this comment..

"But I'm not going to back down on my belief that Artest is bad for the Kings, no matter how many times you and coolcat spew your vitriolic posts all over StR."

What kind of "vitriolic posts" am I posting all over STR. I have traditionally not even been that big of an Artest supporter! (although I am one of the few who thinks it was a good idea to hold onto him). Do your research before you start associating me with any other poster.

And then to make matters worse you drop this gem...

but the fact of the matter is that I'm stating an opinion based on what I've read, and said opinion disagrees with what you think, therefore you attack me."

I never in fact attacked you until you tried to throw your superiority over me by "goofing" on the vocab I used. If I recall, you initially tried to "call me out" earlir for expressing my agreement with Marty McNeal and at the same time thinking the team "sucks"...then you went on and tried to discredit me by saying "what was that elequent word you used, sucking?"

So do all of us a favor and quit the lame accusations. please? I never once said that I am "personally giving Artest a pass" and that I "shouldnt ask you to do the same"? Again, what are you talking about??? Seriously!!!! I never "gave" him a pass so to speak. And I sure as hell never asked you to do the same!

And TZ initiated the conversation by calling that assumption into question. I have not yet read on here that he is taking his earlier assumption to the "bank" and defending it whole heartedly. I tend to call a spade a spade and if I feel a need to confront TZ on an issue rest assure that I will do so. Just as I hope he would do to me. But unlike others (including your behavior earlier today) I don't "jump" on other people's posts for the sake of argument very often. And If I do, (as you jumped on mine earlier) I sure as hell wont write a sappy letter portraying myself as a martyr later on in the day (as you have just done)

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure you mean these things kindly

Fact of the matter is....Champ! that you don't know sh*t and I highly doubt you have close ties to anyone affiliated with the team. After glancing over your last post once again, it seems as if your basing your entire argument (hung-over/dogging practice) off of an assumption. One that clearly doesnt hold enough evidence to be regarded as a matter of fact! I figured an amateur such as yourself, who attempts to goof on me for using the work "suck", would know better than to do that!

when I was starting to somewhat accept your sappy little post,

So do all of us a favor and quit the lame accusations. please?

But unlike others (including your behavior earlier today) I don't "jump" on other people's posts for the sake of argument very often. And If I do, (as you jumped on mine earlier) I sure as hell wont write a sappy letter portraying myself as a martyr later on in the day (as you have just done)

As fas a "goofing" on the vocab you used, it wasn't meant as "calling you out" but a way of making my point. I actually think that sucking was a pretty appropriate choice of words. I wasn't trying to "throw [my] superiority" over you because I don't believe that I am superior, particularly in my knowledge of basketball. You accuse me of making assumptions about your intentions, but that's what you've done to me as well. I didn't intend to "jump on" your post, or offend you. I was asserting my opinion which is contrary to yours. So be it. But have I attacked your post or called it stupid or lame? No. Sorry if this is another "sappy letter portraying myself as a martyr" but first, I don't think I portrayed myself as a martyr, I just don't get where the venom is coming from, because, like I said, I wasn't calling you out. And second, I've decided that this entire conversation is pointless. I know where you stand, you know where I stand, and it's all good. So I'm done.

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by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sticking my nose where it doesn't belong

I'm just going to interject this comic, which I think is appropriate to the situation.

http://www.xkcd.com/386/

I'm sure you guys both have better things to do than fight on the Internet. As someone who's gotten pissed at people on the Internet and then later realized the absurdity of it all, I'd take a day or two timeout. Come back later and you'll feel better.

by Carl on Feb 29, 2008 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Laughs

Well done Carl. I'm guilty of that myself from time to time - sometimes a deep breath and a little time away will cure what ails us.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 29, 2008 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the pass along Carl

I too am guilty of such pettyness. And the laughs mean more than the anger that is for sure.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Reggie Rules

Ocean Drive

by Travis Mays Hayes on Feb 28, 2008 6:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Savage

You could be dead on accurate with your assumption of Artest' value dipping lower and lower. I hope your wrong tho!

However, I still believe that this is currently the game/risk that GP is playing. Artest is GP's "stock" and he's taking a risk and hoping that it will rise before season's end. He simply wasnt impressed with what we were being offered. (you know, the platter of poop that Denver offered). GP is no dummy, he isnt gonna let another GM pull the wool over his eyes!

GP has a history of being a risk taker (see his selection of J-Dub @ #7 or Peja's pick). This is just another one of his risky decisions. Its what has the makings of a true love/hate relationship

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 8:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I agree that Ron is stock

And I wouldn't have as much problem with that if we could just set him on a shelf and see what happens to his value. To be totally honest, it wouldn't kill me if we got nothing for him at the end of the season. It was a gamble and we came up a little short. (It all depends on what Denver gets with their draft pick.)

But the bigger problem is what Ron can do to the team. In the same way that he can tutor a young guy like Williams to play tough, he can undermine Theus and take this whole team down. I hope I am just being chicken little. Nothing would make me happier than to see the sky turn blue again and have us kick Dallas's butt.

by SavageBeast on Feb 28, 2008 9:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Good

Good point once again Savage. It will be interesting to see how the next few months unfold for the Kings

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Petrie

You hit on a good point, but I want to expand. We all complain that we got nothing for Artest, but the cries will be much louder in Denver when their team either misses the playoffs or loses in the first round. Then their GM is the one that really loses. Sure, Artest walks and we get nothing, but Nuggets will ahve wasted another year with AI. As we all know, you dont get too many years to truly contend, so you ahve to make the most of them. While the Kings dont win by holding on to Artest, its the Nuggets that truly lose.

Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Feb 29, 2008 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree wholehearedly

Which would be worse? Being the Kings and not getting anything back for Artest or being the Nuggets and missing the playoffs even though you have AI and Carmelo, because you wouldn't give up a bench player?

by SavageBeast on Feb 29, 2008 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

Petrie has been making the same bad (non) decisions for the last two years. He's cautious to the point of being paralyzed, and holding on to Artest was a mistake last week, a mistake in the offseason and a mistake the year before that.

Marty McNeal is insane if he thinks this team is a player away from contention. This team MIGHT be a (very good) player from fighting for the last playoff spot and losing in the first round every year. YES Marty - I want the Kings to blow it up, go 19-63 and then have a future, just like the Portland Trailblazers do right now.

Geoff Petrie's moves (few as they've been) have just delayed and delayed (and delayed) the inevitable. Unless you have a Kobe Bryant or Lebron James, you CANNOT get better by trimming around the edges of a mediocre team.

by Carl on Feb 28, 2008 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

oh no! the sky is falling!

Look, this season really hasn't changed that much since the trade deadline. What have we been saying all season? This team plays to the level of it's opponents. Which means when we're on an east road swing, we're going to play like an Eastern Conference team. While we all hoped for the contary, we knew Good Ron wasn't going to show up for every game. Sometimes we're going to get Bad Ron. Usually in situations like this where we have an insane amount of road games in a month. These are the dog days of the season guys. Just remember, next month we got Miami at home, Memphis twice, not to mention the Wolves and the Clippers. We'll be fine.

Muff rules. http://vegaskings.blogspot.com

by Muff209 on Feb 28, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'd be happy

If we were playing to the level of our opposition. Currently, we are playing far below that...

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 9:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure..

... my point has come across.

Ron Artest, a volatile player who is likely to leave the team this summer (one way or the other), could have been traded last week, when his value was at its peak, for at least a 1st-round pick.

He was not. Since then, this team has put up four atrocious defensive performances, lost to two lottery teams and beat another (with their best player out half the game) by one point in overtime. One of those losses was to the worst team in the league by 21 points. It has come out that Artest had partied the night before, he missed shoot-around due to a hangover, shot 3-14, and screamed at Theus when Theus questioned the team's committment.

You can't really blame Theus, because what's he supposed to do? You can't really blame Artest, because he is who he is.

I don't think Petrie was too proud to take a seemingly lopsided deal. I think he's in a tough position between competitor and disaster with this roster, and he thinks giving up Ron for scraps would push this cart over to full-blown disaster. My analysis over the last few months has disagreed -- this team would be only slightly worse defensively and maybe a touch better offensively minus Ron.

I don't know that you blame anyone. But I think Petrie buys that time machine to see how things could have gone differently. Maybe Sacramento goes 1-3. But this has been about the most unsettling 1-3 I've ever seen.

by Ziller on Feb 28, 2008 9:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I get your point TZ

How a team with supposedly a top ten caliber player, a center who has been playing good so far, and an efficient scorer can loose so badly.
Kevin Martin hasn't been effective lately, he missed a lot of free throws the passed games.
This Ron Artest issue is affecting the integrity of the team.

IMO, maybe we should waive him, It's not like we're going to be in the playoffs and Salmons can start and Garcia will have more minutes as well as Douby, even Williams would see more playing time with Artest waived.

I know his salary still would be counting if he is waived, but Theus will be playing with the core of our future team.

Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Feb 28, 2008 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Holy cow

Can you imagine the heat Petrie would take if they waved Ron-Ron?? Not saying I wouldn't welcome the possibility, but that's the kind of decision that puts a GM's job on the line, IMO.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I forgot about Petrie

So I guess the waived Artest thing is just a dream, but I hope Artest won't be in Sacramento the next season, he's not doing any good here.

Martin, for the win!!!

by Kjack on Feb 28, 2008 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The Kings would have to buy out next year too.

Artest will have an opt out window but he can't actually opt out now so as of today he would cost some cash and cap space. This is why K-9 is still a King.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 28, 2008 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What's really bad JJ

Is that because of K9's ETO, and Ron-Ron's opt out neither can be traded until both decide to exercise/not exercise their options and until the July moratorium is lifted. (Anybody who thinks Petrie didn't overplay his hand badly doesn't understand the way the NBA trade market works.)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Who know....

maybe K-9 gets the point and opts out. This is exactly what I promoted in the beginning of the season. Exile K-9 and pray that he wants to play basketball more than he wants 17 million dollars. Thomas played in the first game of 2008 and then has racked up 25+ DNP-CD's since. If Thomas sits out 2 more years, he will never play another game, if he opts out he might be able to play himself into a small 2 year contract after re-establishing himself. We can all pray.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 28, 2008 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry man

I've just spent the last hour reading the Bill Simmons column on angry Supes fans. And I'm damn near crying thinking about a loyal fan base having their team ripped from them. It makes Kenny Thomas opting out become very inconsequential (and indeed all my remarks about Artest). All in all I'm just thrilled the Kings are still in Sacramento.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's all that rain.

It's getting a little chippy around here, I feel like I'm watching a Knicks/Heat playoff series. Glad I'm staying out of all of this shit.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 29, 2008 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It's been chippy

because several "people" can't wrap their heads around an idea that Artest isn't worth keeping.

Keeping Artest is understandable; just not something I agree with. Those who have advocated HAVE YET to show a worthwhile cause of what Artest does to make this team better. To show how Artest makes this team better (outside of the opinion).

JJ you and I have gotten into it. But at least the arguments we got into had some salient and relevance to it. I fear that the recent chippiness will overtake a quality blog with quality thought. Sniping at each other every day does none of us any good (who am I kidding--I'm the biggest asshole around here).

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Big difference between heated discussion and...

what is going on now. I feel like every question is being answered with a another question and not an answer. I miss the good old days!

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 29, 2008 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I miss those days too man!

by Hoops916 on Feb 29, 2008 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What are you trying to say?!!!

by SavageBeast on Feb 29, 2008 2:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW

Before anyone gets to excited, that was a joke.

by SavageBeast on Feb 29, 2008 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn

You Savage...I had my pen in hand and was about to write a schathing letter riiping you to shreds

Then I saw your part about that being a joke... Owell

by Hoops916 on Feb 29, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

TZ

I don't know that you blame anyone. But I think Petrie buys that time machine to see how things could have gone differently. Maybe Sacramento goes 1-3. But this has been about the most unsettling 1-3 I've ever seen.

You can blame Petrie. It starts with him. This is perhaps Geoff's greatest mistake. And it was one for the ages.

* Petrie on the fact that he didn't do any deals: "There wasn't anything to consider doing. (The fans) don't want to see anybody do something that doesn't make any sense. Right?"

If Petrieisn't to blame who is? He's the guy who made the above quote (I can't seem to get the direct link sorry) then who is?

I'm not saying Artest doesn't deserve blame and floggings for his own actions. I do believe such things. What I am saying, and will continue to say as I'm a fan of MAN!!!, is that Petrie deserves to be accountable for holding out for higher value when the chances of such are extremely low (regardless of whether Ron is a choir boy or not).

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Artest

TZ makes some great points. Artest's play has been horrendous for the past week. Our great "lockdown defender" is being lit up. And our "low-post presence" has been jacking up fall-away jumpers.

Couple that with his behavior, and he's just made my argument for me. Artest is bad for this team.

TickTickTickTickTickTick

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 28, 2008 9:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ok,

Seems like most posters here are smelling roses or crap, never acknowledging that their head is in their ass.

In All Honesty...
The Kings DO suck. For the sake of future winning, you WANT them to. Pray they lose every game here on out and get a tangible STAR player.

Ron will have bad games/stretches, just as everyone else does. He is not alone going to drag our asses into the playoffs with The Prodigy not being prodigious, seafood at PF, and 'He Who Must Not Be Named'.

Ron's problems right now are lack of help. It's Udrih and him this last week.

Every team goes through what you see in the paper.
Players yell at coaches and vice versa. Reporters hype it to sell papers. the only difference in Sacramento is you guys smoking what they're offering.

Everyone gets South Beach Flu. If I had my way, I would too.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Feb 28, 2008 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah my head is so far up my ass

that me & Gangstalicious are going to hook up next week. Ok back to reality....

In All Honesty...
The Kings DO suck. For the sake of future winning, you WANT them to. Pray they lose every game here on out and get a tangible STAR player.

Why keep Artest if this is the plan?

Play the Kids
Tank for a Beasley type player
use the "little" flexibility you get from Ron's contract to avoid luxury tax while building a winner

So why was Linas Kleiza the reason Ron Artest is not in Denver? Because Geoff Petrie scrwed up.

So why is Ron Artest blaming Reggie Theus for holding him accountable?? The answer is (p-s-y-c-h-o-t-i-c).......

Ron will have bad games/stretches, just as everyone else does. He is not alone going to drag our asses into the playoffs with The Prodigy not being prodigious, seafood at PF, and 'He Who Must Not Be Named'.

Who is "he must not be named"? Who is perfect lately? Who isn't accountable for their actions (other than Ron)?

Kevin Martin deserves criticism for how he's played. So does, to an extent, John Salmons. That being said not everybody deserves criticism for losses. It's not on Quincy Douby that they lost in Miami. Douby didn't build the roster (that would be Petrie).

The list of fault in this particular mess is:

Petrie
Artest
Everyone else is caught in the wake one way or another until further reported otherwise

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True

Players do yell at coaches. They are called "malcontents".

Seriously, almost every person here who wants to see Ron shipped out acknowledge the fact that he is a great player, and they hope he succeeds on a long-term basis, if he's given a long-term contract. Do you really think people hate Ron-Ron just for being Ron-Ron, and don't want him and the team to succeed?

Problem is, you and coolcat jump in and gloat about Artest every time he has a decent game, quarter, 2-minute stretch, but won't acknowledge the flaws in his game and his character that have made him (an upper echelon player in the league with a palatable contract) untradeable. Weird, isn't it?

I don't mean this to be offensive, but I really can't take anything you or coolcat say seriously from a basketball standpoint any longer. You two may make a salient point occasionally, but it's barely worth the effort to debate anything back and forth.

If you can't see why the possibility of losing Artest for nothing this summer is worse than trading him for something as minimal as a first round draft pick (which normally turns to gold in the hands of one Geoff Petrie), I don't know what else to say.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong again

And I am going to call you on it.

Read my posts and you will see that I have consistently debated the pros and cons of Ron Artest. I have entertained the thought of him being traded. I have consistently said no King is untouchable.

I rate him in the middle half of the starting small forwards in the league, and I think the Kings would be far worse off with him than without him unless they got a decent player to replace him. The team has three fairly dependable players, and he is one of them.

While I agree he has issues, I don't think he is the Anti-Christ, which seems to put me in the minority here.

It's gotten so ridiculous that I agree with you on one thing: there isn't much take anything on this site that you can take seriously from a basketball standpoint any longer.

Of course, I don't mean this to be offensive in any way.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You're a joke

Don't you know this is LynchRonTown Royally?

This seems to be your current talking point for anyone who thinks keeping Artest past the trade deadline was a bad idea. Pros and cons my ass.

I don't think anyone is calling Ron the Anti-Christ either, but people are (rightfully in my opinion) upset about his antics since the trade deadline.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

P.S.

Feel free to have the last word, since this is just going to turn into the usual carousel.

Mikki Moore - WNBA Hair, WNBA Body, WNBA Talent

by otis29 on Feb 28, 2008 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm OK with that.

You're a massive hater. I expect nothing less.

The wise man tells you Where you have fallen And where you yet may fall - Invaluable secrets! The world may hate him. But good men love him.

by Psychrates on Feb 28, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

all this talk about Ron is fine

But isn't anybody going to talk about how terrible Martin has been of late - on both sides of the ball? If he's the "go to guy" and the "player of the future" shouldn't he be getting it shoved up his *ss on this blog as well?

There's plenty of blame to go around for the poor defense and offense. It takes 5 guys and a lot of bad play to give up 110+ plus to horrible offensive teams.

A side note: Lost in Bibby's excellent game was the fact that Beno too played well.

by Kusian on Feb 28, 2008 2:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Nice

Work on bringing this all up Kusian.

I hope Martin turns this little slump of his around. Thats the last thing the Kings need is him to become a head-case (as I believe is what has happened to Salmons)

I agree with you that there is PLENTY of blame to go around regarding our defence. Letting these horrible teams get off scoring that many points is ridiculous.

However, given my previous statement, I still believe the reason for our lack of defence is because of Miller ans Mikki. We must have the "softest" frontcourt in the League by FAR, not even a question in my mind. Hopefully the Landlord can learn the offence and develope into the low-post presence we need him to become next year at the 4. I think that is what GP envisioned when we traded for him last week

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

I think Martin is definitely in a slump, but for him to become a head-case is quite an odd reaction to a shooting/scoring slump. Normally one becomes a head-case by yelling at coaches, yelling at teammates, getting in fights, plenty of off the court incidents and so on.

The fact that Salmons is a head-case seems odd as well. Obviously he isn't playing as well as we have seen and he hasn't been that productive off the bench and he left one meeting in a huff awhile ago, but again with the head-case thing; it seems like a complete over-reaction.

We are an inconsistent team on the rebuild, this sort of thing has been happening the entire season, leading to a rather frustrating experience as a fan. I for one wish Ron the best of luck next year with New York, unless he realizes that the money he is making next year is more then he will receive in the open market, thus leading him not to opt-out... which is amazing considering his talent level.

I understand the perspective that coolcat and hoops have with Ron as he is amazing to watch. However, it is quite ironic that now for whatever reason you guys advocate playing the young players and rebuilding... the very thing you were opposed to by dealing Ron. It was not that StR thought Ron was a bad hoops player or not one of the most skilled two way players in the league far from it. Its just that at this point in time, even at the beginning of the season, we were definitely not a championship calibur team so it was necessary to give the young players time and trade our assets, Bibby and Artest for picks and prospects (something Petrie didn't accomplish Artest).

The reason we needed to get rid of Artest is he is an actual headcase. As much as Artest can help Shelden's game he is hurting it with his actions, arguing with coach, running his own plays, partying so much he misses practice, constantly being a disruption on the team. All these reasons are why you need to get rid of an Artest because no matter how much he contributes on the court he always finds a way to diminish it off the court.

I just don't understand how undermining authority is something Coolcat and Hoops can endorse. If Ron Artest was the leading salesman, engineer, whatever everyday job you choose, and had 1.5 the sales of any other person in the company yet continually disrupted the office, fought with boss, and believed himself exempt to the rules given to the entire company; especially with your office full of new college grads just breaking into the business, you better believe his ass is fired. You do not want his negativity poisoning the entire work operation just for a couple more sales. Now imagine this is the NBA and those extra 'sales' Ron provide are actually hurting your effort to rebuild, that is why I am dismayed by Petrie's decision. Because getting rid of him was the only sensible solution at this point.

by moproblemz on Feb 28, 2008 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

c'mon man

Really? Not you as well man.. Go back and check everything you need to on this site. I AM NOT...I repeat I AM NOT some crazy Ron Artest backer that you are saying I am. I dont know why the Addict came up with the notion I was, and I dont know why you would make it up either! Somewhat weird if you ask me!

Before I respond to your posts, let me first say that there is a BIG difference in my opinion between keeping Artest (because you got offered junk for him) and actually endorsing his behavior. Regardless of how anyone feels about him, there is no doubt that he is one of the most talented players in the L, an enigma of sorts if you will. And with that, I agree with GP's decision to wait it out until the end of the year and see what the Kings can get out of it at the end of the year. GP is not gonna be taken advantage of, which in my opinion is what Denver was trying to do (sans Kleiza of course)

Onto your post. You raised some interesting points! First off, I used the word "head-case" somewhat loosely. I would disagree with you that Martin is "just" in a shooting/scoring slump. He seems to be lacking the urgency that franchise players need/are obligated to have. I like the guy alot but in order for him to earn that cash were commiting to him, he's gonna have to be more assertive. When your the man on a team, you can't just dissapear for an extended period of time, which is what it seems to me like he's doing. the thing that leaves me to believ that his recent slump MAY be somewhat mental is his numbers from the charity stripe. FT's aern't correlated with "shooting slumps". In fact, players use the charity stripe to break "out" of slumps. FT's are simple muscle memory, for as Great (I dont use that word lightly) as a FT shooter as he is there is an odd feeling to his FT numbers right now. However, I just raised the issue in my previous post, I sure didnt mean to put it "in stone". I'm optimistic he'll rebound and start playing better ball soon!

I do, however, feel that Salmons is a bit of a head-case. There is NO excuse for his lack of production (I'm not solely talking about #'s) when Artest jumped back into the lineup. Yeah, he may have lost his attempts and a few minutes off his minutes per game, but the way in which he is playing ball seems to have completely transformed. And you know he reads the papers, he has to have seen Amick and Howard Stern (opps, i mean Voisen) write about him as well. He's one of my favorite players on the squad, but he seems to be tentative when Artest is out there

And I never endorsed Artest undermining the authority. I invite you to scroll back and re-read my previous statements!

by Hoops916 on Feb 28, 2008 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If I take head-case to mean loss of confidence

then I can agree with a lot of what you said. How many times have you seen AI or Kobe start off a game shooting poorly, but they just keep putting them up. Maybe drive a bit more to get to the line, but stay aggressive and contribute late in the game. I see this as an area where KMart needs to improve. Just because he starts off 1-8, doesn't mean he should stop shooting. That and defensive consistency are the two major areas I'd like to see improvement over the next year.

That being said, pulling him late in the game because he's having shooting issues can't help his confidence.

Regarding Salmons, I don't know what to make of his production. We should have just traded him when KMart came back, and his stock was as high as it ever will be.

by Kfan in Korea on Feb 28, 2008 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Very good point

>>There's plenty of blame to go around for the poor defense and offense. It takes 5 guys and a lot of bad play to give up 110+ plus to horrible offensive teams.>>

There's 240 minutes to split up, and the most one guy can take up in a regulation game is 48. Bagging on one guy is just plain stupid, particularly in the context of a 1-3 road trip that could have been 2-2 with a few more hoops against Hotlanta.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well coolcat

There's 240 minutes to split up, and the most one guy can take up in a regulation game is 48. Bagging on one guy is just plain stupid, particularly in the context of a 1-3 road trip that could have been 2-2 with a few more hoops against Hotlanta.

If Artest as a great individual defender what's the purpose of keeping him to improve defense that needs the other parts there to be successful?

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 28, 2008 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If you needed

Four quarters to make a dollar and you had two and I gave you one, would you keep those three quarters and look for another to make the dollar, or would you throw two of the quarters away and believe you were closer to a dollar with just one quarter?

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 28, 2008 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm

Well I wouldn't understand the point of keeping 2 jagged quarters that couldn't be stacked neatly with any other 2 quarters in existence.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Just Like Players

Your jagged quarters will help add up to a dollar, rough edges and all. Or do you think you're getting them all handed to you in mint condition? Value those jagged quarters, grasshopper.

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by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 29, 2008 12:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

NO thanks

I'll trade in the diamond in the rough house in Oak Park for the shiny new flossy suburb house in Roseville. :)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nah when I get enough of those

I'll just drop them in a coin-star and get me some clean crisp dollar billz. :)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 29, 2008 2:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks TZ

You always manage to put into words what I have been thinking: "What had been a highly enjoyable season has suddenly become Musselman Part II. AWESOME" I have been thinking about giving myself a break from my King's obsession for a couple of weeks.

by franfran on Feb 28, 2008 10:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs