Introducing the Sactown Royalty Hope Alert System

by Ziller on Feb 4, 2008 11:41 AM PST in Commentary Comment 38 comments

This is based entirely on section214's yeoman work assessing the State of the 2007-08 Season. We'll keep tabs, watching scoreboards and judging moods.

Here, in chart form, is a breakdown of 214's consideration on the probabilities the Kings make the postseason. (We'll assume the West's top five teams -- Phoenix, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio and Los Angeles -- won't implode to lottery levels.) And remember, the Kings need to achieve its objective (finishing 25-11) while seeing three other teams meet their doom by finished with the 'required' record or worse.

Team Current Required Chances?
Sacramento 22-24 25-11 Ask later
Houston 27-20 20-15 Plausible
Portland 27-19 20-16 Plausible
Denver 28-18 19-17 Unlikely
Golden State 29-19 18-16 Maim Baron!
Utah 30-18 17-17 No f'n way

Clearly, the biggest obstacle is finishing 25-11. The second biggest obstacle: Watching Denver, Golden State or Utah falter while Portland and Houston refuse to go on hot streaks.

This is rather bleak, even by 'improbable playoff run' standards.

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low expectations

I am hovering between blue and green....when I actually see .500 happen, I'll start considering hovering between blue and yellow.

by Kusian on Feb 4, 2008 12:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I likey TZ

That reminds me of the Risk of Ken Macha system that several A's sites had up for awhile. I'm LOW actually which I'm sure absolutely surprises noone.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2008 12:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Cautiously optimistic

And still ok with missing the playoffs.

This year only.

As long as we make some good changes, not some coolcat trade-for-the-sake-of-trading moves.

And as long as we finish over .500 and keep playing hard.

We play all western conference teams in April, with our last game against the Lakers. Anyone up for being spoilers?

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2008 12:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

You mention coolcat & not me

I'm the one who proposed trading Bibby for Speedy Claxton.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2008 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

True but

you haven't suggested trading K-mart yet.

by SavageBeast on Feb 4, 2008 1:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Crazy not stupid I suppose

(There's no value in trading Kevin anyway. You'd have to wait until after the 1st year of his extension to kick in because he'll be BYC next year.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 4, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Crazy is one thing

Coolcat is another.

At least you're not posting outrageously bad trades every ten minutes.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2008 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Too Bad

There's no ignore buttons on these pages :)

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 4, 2008 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

It;s a good thing someone showed CoolCat...

the "Trade Machine" and not "How to use a tablesaw without the guard". I have a feeling he wouldn't be able to post for a while if it were the other way.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 4, 2008 8:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Without taking sides...

That's funny!

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 4, 2008 8:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I owe you a few laughs.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 4, 2008 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

You can comment on the two trades I threw out in the diary today in that thread and be a little more specific if you think they don't work.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 4, 2008 1:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I read it

I didn't comment on it because there's no point. It's never going to happen.

You're advocating a complete and total shift in the make-up of the team. Petrie doesn't make wholesale changes like that.

And who in the world besides you thinks that the Raptors don't know what kind of player they have in Calderon? Would your trade make them better? No.

Covet Calderon all you want, but I just don't see Toronto not making a huge push to sign him, much less letting him go for what you're offering.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2008 2:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

That's what I said LPA without

the eloquence.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2008 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Orlando is way over the cap already

Can they really afford to keep both of those point guards? My trade has them with Udrih as a backup to Ford and gives them Miller and Artest. I think that improves their team.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 4, 2008 2:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Who said anything about Orlando?

And, once again, with feeling:

WE NEED ANOTHER FREAKIN' BIG MAN, NOT TO TRADE AWAY THE ONE GOOD ONE WE HAVE.

Ok, I feel better now.

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2008 3:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Ooops

Should have been Toronto. I discussed Orlando as a potential destination for Bibby.

by coolcatreportdotcom on Feb 4, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Kings

go 25-11 against their second half schedule, I will eat my car. Their first half schedule featured almost all their games against the East.

by Deleran on Feb 4, 2008 3:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Not that it's going to matter,

but what kind of car is it?

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Feb 4, 2008 6:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

made entirely of chocolate...very edible.

by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 4, 2008 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Like those valentine day undies?

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Feb 4, 2008 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactamente...porque` no?

Speaking foreign languages helps us kick Free Darko's falda.

by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 5, 2008 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Kings Playoff hopes

I'm still in the hoping the team blows the team up stage. But the Kings are playing quite well and confusing me.

I don't know what to expect from this team. Up 44-66 vs. the Hornets is impressive.

The Sacramento Kings: Where Amazing Happens!

by kingme18 on Feb 4, 2008 5:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Hey, it's possible

This is the NBA. Where amazing happens

by kingme on Feb 4, 2008 6:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

perhaps even 25-11?si`m?

Even if the Kings missed the playoffs; if they play hard the rest of the season...it's all good.

I'd love the playoffs, but speaking of being homer...one should stay realistic.I can't see Utah & Golden State tanking it; tho' I'd love it if they did.
As for trades, why trade Miller the way he's playing, & my gut tells me(hey...it could be indigestion, hell if I know)that Bibby will stay, at least for now.

As for Artest, if he wants to opt out at the end of the season, you might as well get something for him. & will someone PLEASE take K-9. Even tho' I'm a dog lover; there are limits....

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by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 4, 2008 7:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

OK, first...

we're not gonna make the playoffs. The mountain is too steep and there's too much competition ahead of us.

Now for the bad news... OJ Mayo hasn't declared for the draft yet.

Seriously, guys I understand it's fun to see the team playing so well (it feels much nicer than all that damn losing that's been going on the past couple of seasons), and Reggie is doing a good job, etc.

But isn't the goal to see the KIngs win the NBA championship before you shuffle off this mortal coil? You don't really think that's going to happen with this group, do you?

Do you wanna hang on to Ron-Ron until he implode? Do you think we should stick with Bibby and Miller until their trade value equals that of Shareef's, just for the sake of trying to sneak into the playoffs as the eighth seed?! C'mon.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize, To compete with the Spurs, the Suns, the Mavericks, the Hornets, and now the Lakers in the post-season, we'll need to get bigger up front, and a bit more athletic overall, and waaay better on defense. To do that some pieces are going to have to move.

Things might get tougher before they get better

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 4, 2008 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

OK, I don't wanna see Ron Ron implode...

Sounds kinda messy.& I wouldn't advocate hanging onto ANY player until their trade value is nothing.But I also see no reason to trade just for something that could be less than what you already have either.

Take Brad. I don't see a reason to trade Brad when he's playing the best ball I've ever seen from him & practically made Wallace & Chandler look...uhmm....not so great.What would you trade him for?Cap room?Someone who's a better "rebounder" when he's also a great passer?One has to think of what is subtracted as well as what is gained for the team, not just the position in question.

& consider the history here...Don't you think that Geoff Petrie knows when to trade the players that are ready for Pasture?That goes for any player. Could be Bibby, could be not, depends on what's in it for us in return.

I like the way Beno is developing at the point; my point about Mike Bibby is that it's not my call.Or yours for that matter.It's G.P's.

Would I like to see more atheletecism?More defense?Sure, who wouldn't?I'd also like to see J-Will on the court more too....(Somewhere an angel would get it's wings, to quote TZ)...:)

by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 4, 2008 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

EXploding is messy...

IMploding is that he collapses into himself.

Not so messy.

I still don't want to see it, though...

I believe Petrie is the man. My only concern, though, is that other GMs start to re-think any trade he agrees to.

Petrie: "Ok, then, I think we have a deal. Let's run it through the league and..."

Other GM: "Wait. You think it's a good deal? Really? Maybe I need to think about this some. Can I call you next week?"

Ron Artest: A legend in his own mind.

by LeaguePassAddict on Feb 4, 2008 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure I totally agree

Petrie's ability to make a decent trade is a bit more suspect than his ability to draft.

At first blush, he got a ton of credit for being able to relieve Webber's monster contract, but wasn't able to do much with the individual pieces he received back (one of whom continues to haunt our bench with his presence every night).

Having said that, I'll still put my faith in him to wait for the right deal to come along - but I'm not sure how long we can give him a pass if Bibby/Artest stay on the roster past the trade deadline.

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 5, 2008 5:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of the trade deadline

I hope you read my diary Otis. It might as much, if not more than, sense to you than anyone else around here.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2008 5:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

might make as much^^^ Oui I need sleep

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2008 5:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I looked over it this morning

Lots of good stuff there, I'll add some thoughts when I get to work (yes, when I should be working!)

Disclaimer: I am anti-Bibby.

by otis29 on Feb 5, 2008 6:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Shit Otis I wish I could do that

Lucky arsehole! And, yes in case you were wondering I left Kevin out of the discussion on purpose. Why even bother at this point. He's PPP this season and BYC this next season. Trading him is practically impossible until after the 1st year of his extension.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Feb 5, 2008 6:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Touche`!

Wouldn't wanna feel that implosion either...

by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 5, 2008 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

about Brad. No need to rush out and trade him, especially since I don't see any teams giving us commensurate value in return at the moment. Which, in a way, is too bad because right now Brad's value is sky high, as high as it will ever be in fact.

When Miller is traded then yeah, I'd like to see that position filled by somebody who can play some D and is athletic. I was really pushing for the Kings to land Joakim Noah. We missed him by one pick, but that's the kind of center I'd love to see on the court firing outlet passes to Kevin Martin for a few seasons.

Artest will be moved. So will Bibby, and believe me Rhondda, I have complete faith in Geoff Petrie's ability to make the right moves at the right time. Having said that, I'm pretty sure he's not satisfied with the current roster and is working hard to get us to the next level. When that happens I just hope people will be patient and not get all bent out of shape because they believed this team could compete for the NBA title. It can't.

"When the Going Gets Weird, the Weird Turn Pro." (Hunter S Thompson)

by Mucho Moss on Feb 4, 2008 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Surely as it is currently configured...

I heartily concur.
But about the improvements & what will G.P. do.

If it was just about a player being atheletic, wouldn't Gerald Wallace still be a King?

But increased defensive proficiency & more defensive talent is a must.Look at the Spurs model:not really a team led by one "superstar" but wins the championship anyway...good coaching, a p.g. that's
good with dribble penetration, Timmy et al, & everyone playing 'd', & Horry waking up at the end of the game despite being 105(just kidding, bob, if you're reading this). That's what does it, for sure.

by Rhondda Nunes on Feb 5, 2008 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs