GAME 48 vs Utah, Preview & Game Thread
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
I asked C.B. Jack from My Utah Jazz some questions. He gave me some answers. They follow.
We had seen Price play here at UVSC in college. I think a little part of all Utah Basketball fans wanted to see him in a Jazz uniform. We also remembered "the dunk" from last year, so we did have some confidence in him. As for Hart? No confidence at all. In fact, all of us here at My Utah Jazz throw up a little in our mouth when he checks into the game. Confidence level coming into the season: 4
If Malone-to-Stockton couldn't win a title, is there any chance for this core?
I do think there is a chance for this core group of players. While it may not be this year, I do think they have a good 2-3 years window in front of them. As long as Boozer and Williams stick around, I feel like we will always be in the division and conference battle. It would take a favorable seed in the playoffs to make it back to the WCF this year. If SA and the Lakers can beat each other up then we have a chance. Those are the two teams all Jazz fans really don't want to face in the playoffs.
Which long-term Western contender scares you more heading into your team's prime, the Lakers or the Blazers?
Excellent question. At this point I would say the Lakers because we will see them at full force shortly. The Blazers are also a young (younger than the Jazz) up and coming team. This season they are the Jazz of last year, coming out of nowhere. I would rather face the Blazers in a 7 game series than the Lakers
(He also asked me some questions, which I answered.)
The bleeding will not stop, so get the gauze and Glenlivet. And, er, go Kings.
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IF I were a gambling man...
Money Line +120
Kings are 2.5 point underdogs
Over/under 211.5
by 27freethrows on
Feb 8, 2008 6:20 PM PST
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I am predicting a big night from Martin
by 27freethrows on
Feb 8, 2008 6:21 PM PST
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I think its fair to say
by 27freethrows on
Feb 8, 2008 9:53 PM PST
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I'm not too confident about this one
by Kfan in Korea on
Feb 8, 2008 6:58 PM PST
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The
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 7:18 PM PST
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?Miss Anything?
by idjpg85 on
Feb 8, 2008 7:52 PM PST
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Joe Kleine Ribs???
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 7:57 PM PST
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Lineup
by idjpg85 on
Feb 8, 2008 8:03 PM PST
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yup
by kingsfaninjapan on
Feb 8, 2008 8:08 PM PST
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Fun
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 8:06 PM PST
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Fun watching him play
Just wanted to say that Spencer is showing signs of growth. I like it. (It also makes Brad Miller a tad more expendable doesn't it?)
by pookeyguru on
Feb 9, 2008 3:02 AM PST
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The left hand
by section214 on
Feb 9, 2008 9:10 AM PST
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Get off your knees ref!
by 27freethrows on
Feb 8, 2008 8:18 PM PST
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Good and Bad 1st half
13 TOs - Bad
Bibby only 4 shots and 6 asts. - Good
Boozer 17 pts. 6 boards - Bad
Kings out rebounding Jazz 21-14 - Good
Artest only 6 shots - Good
Kmart cut on nose - Bad
Hawes 9 mins. played - Good
Cisco hurt - Bad
Kings 13 asts on 20 made baskets - Good
Salmons still giving nothing off the bench - Bad
Kings shooting 56% - Good
Last 4-5 mins having lead cut from 13 to 1 - Bad
If we can keep good Bibby, good Artest and cut down the TOs we can win this baby.
by Kfan in Korea on
Feb 8, 2008 8:29 PM PST
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Salmons
He sure came alive in crunch time. I especially liked that sequence where he blocked Harpring, then went coast to coast.
Quincy was also huge. It was fun to watch that Udrih-Salmons-Quincy-Miller-Hawes or Mikki lineup at the end of the game and equally nice that Reggie left them on the floor to win it. Great win for the Kings.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 8, 2008 9:50 PM PST
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Yep Salmons was huge in the 4th
by Kfan in Korea on
Feb 8, 2008 9:51 PM PST
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Peaches, Koz and Jerry
Fright night!
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 8:58 PM PST
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85-80 Jazz
We want Hart! We want Hart!
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:01 PM PST
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Salmons
by thelettere on
Feb 8, 2008 9:04 PM PST
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You
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:14 PM PST
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Good move by Theus
by thelettere on
Feb 8, 2008 9:10 PM PST
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You gotta wonder
by thelettere on
Feb 8, 2008 9:12 PM PST
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A phrase to fear -
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:16 PM PST
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Looks like the answer for Salmons
by Kfan in Korea on
Feb 8, 2008 9:22 PM PST
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Don't
by Psychrates on
Feb 9, 2008 4:21 AM PST
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WIth Artest and Bibby one the bench
by thelettere on
Feb 8, 2008 9:23 PM PST
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Who are these guys?
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:32 PM PST
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Only 6 TOs so far in the 2nd half
by Kfan in Korea on
Feb 8, 2008 9:35 PM PST
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This is insane
by thelettere on
Feb 8, 2008 9:35 PM PST
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Good one
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:42 PM PST
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Road Trip
It don't matter how hot or how good your team is... THE KINGS ARE GONNA GET YOU!!!
I'M GUARANTEEING A 3-0 ROAD TRIP WITH THREE BLOWOUT WINS AGAINST THE WARRIORS, ROCKETS AND GRIZZLIES
BOOK IT!!!
by kingme18 on
Feb 8, 2008 9:51 PM PST
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you forget
Hell, I wouldn't even post-it-note that.
by iashwash on
Feb 8, 2008 9:55 PM PST
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Just Remember
Without Artest: Kings are 6-11.
Kings also now 13-8 with both Artest and Martin in the lineup.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 8, 2008 10:00 PM PST
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all those games with him
Some of those games without didn't have KMart either.
But you are right - he's a great talent. I should have also included Bibby in my criticism. As "leaders", their mental state shouldn't allow off-nights. That the team does is a failure on their part (and K-Marts, he should assert that desire to win).
by iashwash on
Feb 8, 2008 10:07 PM PST
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Not true
also had KMart and Miller.<<
The Kings are 4-6 in games with Artest, but not Martin. Those occured Dec. 7-26 and included wins over Milwaukee twice, the Nets and 76ers (the team's first road win) and two losses each to Boston and Denver as well as the Wizards and Clippers. Then Artest missed the next nine games and Kevin returned two games before that.
By the way, I was just rereading your "Cap Space" diary. I had read it before, but not closely, more of a skim job. Very interesting in the context of the stuff we were kicking around in the Pookey diary last night.
In reading that list of nine free agents I noticed Boozer and Okur and thought of how Utah did not really miss much of a beat in reloading after Malone and Stockton left, but they definitely used a combination of approaches to rebuild their team. That's another interesting case study.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 8, 2008 11:39 PM PST
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My bad
However, there is alot of variability (those early games didn't have Beno, and K-9 was being played, and Shawes wasn't being played) to accurately put the responsibility of successes on any specific player - especially when we're working within a half-season window. Any team not utilizing its best talent is usually worse for the present.
The cap-space diary - the ensuing conversation between pookey and I also develops the argument further, and draws unique conclusions.
I agree: The Jazz is another interesting case study. They took an initial gamble that at first-sighting looked like it failed (Boozers injuries maddening Utah fans). In some ways, they got lucky (that high pick helped them out a bit, too). Even then, they still had some tough times in between. What is interesting is that they went into rebuilding phase almost immediately (they didn't have much of a choice). They got rid of the Big O when Stock and Malone left (and a couple other players whose names evade me now), and then started looking to fill their needed positions (via draft and free agency) and stuck with those players that they chose. Constructing a timeline of their signings/player-leavings** would be a very useful visual tool, I'm too tired to sit around and construct it.
**(what is the actual word for that?)
It would seem that accepting fate and jumping into rebuilding speeds up the process, rather than trying to rebuild-and-win. Portland is another great example of a team that just went all-out with the rebuilding; let's see what happens with the Supersonics (though their arena talks might affect the issue) and the Timberwolves (who are especially interesting because of [something else mentioned in that diary] the fact that so much of their young talent will be looking for deals at the end of this season. 76ers though, are a complete fkjob managerial-wise, and should also be interesting to watch - if only to serve as warning to the Maloofs.
We could play with this idea more - my knowledge of the present NBA is significantly better than my knowledge of anything going on three-years before, so if you can suggest some teams that were rebuilding 4-5 years ago, we could take a closer look (suns after the J-Kidd trade?). An example of the opposite would also be necessary (Orlando forcing the issue with Hill trade, and thus not really rebuilding - or trying to rebuild too quickly?). Clearly we'd need more.
If you're game, I'd love to walk through this kind of discussion. I'm more privy to the how-were-they-utilizing-young-talent side of the question, and you're more interested in the well-how-did-they-get-that-star side of the question. Together, the two issues could bring about some altogether interesting points.
by iashwash on
Feb 9, 2008 12:14 AM PST
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You are going to drive yourself nuts with that
The clunker the other night was one of the worst games the team played all year, and I believe Mr. Artest was indeed playing.
Just my opinion - I think you would be better served quoting plus/minus numbers for Artest (which are generall pretty good) than team won/loss records.
by otis29 on
Feb 9, 2008 6:20 AM PST
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In other threads
The team without both Artest and Martin has been terrible, and the team with Beno has been terrible. They've also lost all the games Brad's missed.
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 9, 2008 12:03 PM PST
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be realistic
by kingsfaninjapan on
Feb 8, 2008 9:58 PM PST
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There is a chance
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Feb 8, 2008 9:59 PM PST
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Replay Watching
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 10:01 PM PST
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Always liked Reef
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Feb 9, 2008 12:53 AM PST
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I've got a stupid question
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Feb 8, 2008 10:02 PM PST
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There has to be a rebound or
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Feb 8, 2008 10:05 PM PST
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Yeah -
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 10:07 PM PST
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Did Kayte just say
Mrs. section214 is asleep, Kayte. Meet me at the Natomas Hooters. I'll be wearing a white carnation, a smile...and nothing else.
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 10:10 PM PST
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I hear Kayte
by coolcatreportdotcom on
Feb 8, 2008 11:01 PM PST
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Kevin Martin leads the team in turnovers
by iashwash on
Feb 8, 2008 10:26 PM PST
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You mean
by section214 on
Feb 8, 2008 10:35 PM PST
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Oh, and...
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Feb 8, 2008 10:41 PM PST
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You don't understand
by iashwash on
Feb 8, 2008 10:47 PM PST
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Quincy Douby
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Feb 8, 2008 10:52 PM PST
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Also
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Feb 8, 2008 10:59 PM PST
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I just saw Cleaveland-Atlanta highlights
Josh Smith is one athletic mother. And he's 22. He needs to focus hard in the off-season on increasing his toolkit. He's only a reliable open-three and a post-game away from being all-NBA level.
Add him to my pipe-dreams. Though Al-Horford is no slouch either. And Joe Johnson.
Damn those Atlanta Hawks, so much talent, so much managerial ineptitude.
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Feb 8, 2008 11:22 PM PST
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Josh Smith
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Feb 8, 2008 11:41 PM PST
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That and
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Feb 8, 2008 11:42 PM PST
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A big NO
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Feb 9, 2008 12:44 PM PST
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