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Definition of Defeat

There were obviously two extreme runs in there which lead to the defeat (15-0 Dallas in the first/second, 18-0 Dallas in the third/fourth). But let's focus on the final offensive spurt, the string from which there was no return.

Score: 103-102 Dallas, 2 min 18 seconds remaining.

Jason Terry scores a triple, 106-102.

Brad Miller misses a long jumper. Not a bad shot.

Kevin Martin steals the ball on a bad Jason Kidd pass.

Francisco Garcia misses a long two, but Ron Artest gets the rebound and draws the shooting foul. He hits both FTs. 106-104.

Dirk Nowitzki scores a short little jumper. 108-104.

Artest does not hesistate, misses a layup.

Josh Howard turnover.

Garcia misses a shot from the third row. Artest offensive rebound, blown layup.

Kidd fouled, makes first, misses second, Stackhouse rebounds, Beno Udrih hacks him. Stack hits both. 111-104.

Beno misses a shot from the second row.

Stack fouled, hits both. 113-104. Game over, more or less.

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The Mavericks didn't hit any difficult shots. They didn't have to. The Kings didn't get any easy shots. It... didn't seem to be an objective.

It's hard to complain -- the offense was excellent overall. The backcourt's numbers -- 50 points on 55% shooting, 19 FTAs, 10 assists, 2 turnovers -- were tremendous. You would prefer Artest to get his 22 points in fewer than 23 FGAs; you would prefer someone to join Martin and Beno at the line occasionally. But offense was not -- is not -- the central problem. It is, has been, and will be defense.

And for this defense, there are no fixes in sight.

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Defense wins games, but . . .
I still place this on Artest's shoulders.  For all the talk of Good Ron / Bad Ron, I'd like to introduce a third character: Selfish dribble-drive Ron.  

It seems that just about every time Ron gets it in his head that the team must respond, he takes it upon himself to drive into the lane regardless of whether there are two, three, or even four defenders.  While he's been great beating single and even double coverage on the post and unhesitatingly nailing midrange/three-point jumpers, the point-guard imitation is killing the team.  He invariably either tosses up an absurd shot (hoping to draw a foul) or he simply turns the ball over.  

Not only does this waste a possession, but his teammates seem to queue into the fact that Ron is going into dribble-drive mode and react with their own selfishness.  They know that ball movement will ultimately result in Ron charging recklessly into the lane so they elect not to pass and suddenly began jacking up illadvised jump-shots of their own.  After three or four iterations of this, we usually get Grant or Jerry commenting on how ball movement has suddenly broken down, but never any reference to the culprit.  

Futhermore, who does this activity hurt the most?  Why Kevin Martin of course.  He more so than any other King relies upon the ability of his teammates (read: Brad and Beno) to find him as he cuts to get open.  This requires teammates to be actively looking to pass the ball in order to find the open man.  

Why has Kevin suffered lately?  Since Ron became Theus' number one option, he's stopped running and cutting because he's recognized that it's futile.  He can run around all day, but the only time Ron looks to pass is once he's completed boxed in.  At this point, he teammates are rarely in a position to receive the ball effectively and more often than not quickly return that ball to Ron as the floor has become unbalanced.  Yet because Ron's been mixing this activity with outstanding post play, much better timing from long range, and stellar one-on-one defense, the way he shoots his team in the foot seems to be going unnoticed.  

Certainly, Theus must notice, but I'm starting to suspect that he'd rather appease Ron for the remaining twenty-odd games with the hope that he'll simply disappear after the season so he  won't ever really have to confront Ron.  

So far as I'm concerned, I absolutely loved watching the early Beno, Martin, Salmons, Moore, Miller lineups.  It was a small glimpse between injuries, but this was the lineup that beat Dallas.  Granted, Dallas has changed with Kidd at the point, but I refuse to believe that improved offensive efficiency at the three couldn't have made up for a drop off on defense at the same position.  

Ultimately however, what this team will need is an offensive and defensive upgrade at the four.  If we can obtain such a player before Brad's play declines severely (barring the accelerated development of Hawes), we'd be just fine without Ron.  Besides, we're not getting any takers for Thomas' contract, so we're stuck with his and Miller's contracts for two more years.  We should use this time to develop young bigs and build chemistry between our backcourt.  

I just pray that I won't have to watch Ron passive-aggressively sabotage this team for a season longer.  He's saying nice things in the media, but he's poison to his coaches and teammates.  Let him be someone else's problem.  Let him know that he wouldn't be welcome to not exercise his option.

by Kes on Feb 29, 2008 10:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Spot On
Nice analysis Kes, and I appreciate you turning that  wall of text into a much easier to read post.

by Spiegel on Mar 1, 2008 2:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I 2nd that motion
Thank you for doing so Kes. I was going to ask that you do so, or keep in mind to do so in the future. (I have been VERY guilty of it.)

Interesting points about Artest as pertains to the ball movement. I didn't really see Artest killing Kevin cutting to the hoop, but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention either (always possible). I like your points, and felt they were well stated. I hope you continue to post here on a regular basis.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 2:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You bring up a very interesting point.
While watching last nights game it became pretty apparent what the issue is with Martin. I will draw on a comparison from the Webber trade to make my point. When the Kings initially traded for Kenny Thomas, he really wasn't that bad. His first couple of games he hit that elbow jumper that Webber had  become famous for, he rebounded, and he didn't appear to be a bad passer, just a little slow on picking up the flow of the motion offense. I specifically remember Thomas holding on to the ball too long when the wing players were coming off the high pick. By the time Kenny made the pass, the defense was already around the pick and on the shooter.

Coming out of the Webber era, we had all come accustom to great passing from the power position. Webber was often selfish and made Peja or Bibby do a lot of work only to pull the ball back and shoot it himself but he was the star and we all could live with his shot selection. Thomas proved to be the wrong fit, obviously, but I think it was his lack of basketball IQ/inability to ever pick-up the offensive flow that doomed him.

When watching the last couple of games, I noticed the same issue with Beno specifically and Johnson  to a lesser extent. It seems that Martin is doing a whole lot of running around and never receiving the pass. He starts in the key, fights around the pick and then when the pass is supposed to be waiting for him on the backside of the big man, Beno pulls the ball back. Martin looks slightly dejected and ends up hanging out. He appears to be waiting for the kick out off a double team which isn't happening because he's lost the flow of the offense and not gotten himself to an open spot.    

When Martin is at his best, he is moving continuously a la Reggie Miller. We saw it in his first two games back from the groin injury, the guy was unstoppable. Then Bibby and Artest came back. Martin began seeing less and less of the passes, especially from Miller due to the high screen and role with Bibby. Artest has become captain Iso and Beno is at his best when driving and scoring, not driving and dishing. Martin has become a moper, disenchanted with his role in the offense of a very marginal team. Beno doesn't appear to have the confidence in either Martin or his own ability to hit Martin in the flow of the offense. Maybe they need more time together but the early returns aren't so good.

I like what Beno brings to the table but I am a slightly concerned with his ability to be a 37-38 minute a game starting point. His assist numbers haven't been that bad since the Bibby trade but as a whole they aren't that good. I think this is yet another instance where the Kings really miss Pete Carill and his ability to increase a players basket knowledge.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Mar 1, 2008 7:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't really seen the Dallas game yet
So I can't comment on that. That being said you bring up a bunch of interesting stuff to chew on.

I wonder why Beno, who before Bibby/Artest returned could hit Martin in the offensive flow but not now? I wonder if the Kings are trying to please Artest and it's causing Martin to say why are the fuck are you fucking with me?

In a way this is very dis-concerting. In the long run this could prove benefitial if Kevin becomes a little more demanding as a result. (I'm just saying that sometimes bad times bring silver linings.)

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great analysis
Really good stuff.

After watching Miller's resurgence this year, I still wonder why Ron's suddenly the focal point instead of Brad. Then again, I guess Reggie didn't watch last year, when the offense was disastrous precisely because of Brad's ineffectiveness.

by Ziller on Mar 1, 2008 6:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you.
Miller has proven that he is back to his old form. This team truly lacks an identity right now which is strange because there have been times during this season when they had really seemed to work things out. The whole keeping/trading Artest seems to have created a quagmire. Theus is playing to win, Artest is playing for a contract and so is Udrih, Martin should know that he is the future but he's being treated/playing like he's the past and Salmons???

To steal a line from Shawshank, this team better "get busy living or get busy dying" because this caught in the middle bullshit is getting old.

StR- Where Pookey is long, Otis is short and Section brings down the house.

by jjham15 on Mar 1, 2008 7:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Mart without Ron
K-Mart did have a 39 point (on what like 17-19?)  outburst earlier against these same Mavs.
The Sacramento Kings: Where Amazing Happens!

by kingme18 on Mar 1, 2008 12:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post
I think your are right one with most of your comments.  This team needs to find a way to work with and control Ron.  Good luck with that.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal

by 27freethrows on Mar 1, 2008 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I really should watch the game BUT
The Mavericks didn't hit any difficult shots. They didn't have to. The Kings didn't get any easy shots. It... didn't seem to be an objective.
Here's the problem with that statement. So many fingers can be pointed at several individuals? Who is the most culpable at this point?

It's hard to complain -- the offense was excellent overall. The backcourt's numbers -- 50 points on 55% shooting, 19 FTAs, 10 assists, 2 turnovers -- were tremendous. You would prefer Artest to get his 22 points in fewer than 23 FGAs; you would prefer someone to join Martin and Beno at the line occasionally. But offense was not -- is not -- the central problem. It is, has been, and will be defense.

And for this defense, there are no fixes in sight.

I find it interesting that Anthony Johnson, who doesn't play a position the Kings have a real need at, and has gotten more minutes than any other player in the trade for Bibby, is still playing consistently.

On the other hand you have Shelden Williams. Rightfully so he's the centerpiece of the trade (other than the salary dump--but in terms of strict player terms) and he isn't getting many minutes. Reggie Theus has a defense he can't improve with the players he's playing, and he's continuing to play them why? Why isn't he shaking it up a little? Something is fishy in Denmark, and it aint the fish tossing at Pike Place Market.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 11:22 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

nice point about Johnson and Williams, Pookey
Not playing Wiliams when we desperately need some sort of defensive presence down low while giving unnecessary minutes to an old, slow, and ineffective PG makes about perfect nonsense.

by Kusian on Mar 1, 2008 12:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

AJ
But Johnson plays like Jason Hart. The Kings sure liked him. Anyway, AJ is much better than Douby
He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Mar 1, 2008 2:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

TZ
The quote you made...

The Mavericks didn't hit any difficult shots. They didn't have to. The Kings didn't get any easy shots. It... didn't seem to be an objective.

Explains the Kings season in a nutshell!!

Our lack of a BIG is absolutely killing the Kings. Sure, maybe too much has been made in recent posts (by myself included) about the Kings lack of a true 4!

But how about the inabilities of a true C??? In my opinion,Miller, despite his good year, is killing the Kings as well. I am frustrated as hell that our C does little more than dance around the elbow on the offensive side of the ball. Since our starting 4 weighs about "a buck 50" (with sand in his pockets) we NEED someone (Hello Brad???) to go down low and get the Kings some easy buckets. I understand that playing in the low post isnt really "his game", but shit man, he is damn near 7 ft tall and has some weight on him. The way in which he gets "manhandled" down low is frustrating to say the least.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, either Moore OR Miller NEEDS to be coming off the bench on opening night next year. Having NO low post threat is KILLING the Kings.

TZ or Pookey (or Section), can one of you number crunchers please somehow track down the Kings rank in the L in "point in the paint"? I'd be willing to guess were pretty damn low on the list. We will not be a consistant team until we have s BIG who can score (just decently well is all I ask for) down low.

And I'm sure Beno would appreciate it too!! Thats gotta be frustrating for a Point to not EVER get assists off easy buckets around the rim!  

by Hoops916 on Mar 1, 2008 1:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Look up 82games.com
They'll have that information. I'm not doing it for you.
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Pookey.. I expect it on my desk by the end of the day!

by Hoops916 on Mar 1, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll get to it
after talking to 600 idiots who don't know where they are, and listening to 2 hours of music on the bus, and after drinking 3 beers. :)
I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 1:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let me clarify
The statistical tools are there for anyone to use. APBR, 82games, Doug Steele (not really sure what that is), Basketball Reference are all on the right sidebar of StR. Just scroll down and look under the reference section on the toolbar on the right side of the page.

Hoops if you want to make a point about how the Kings are hurt by their lack of big activity in the paint, and want to use numbers to back up your point, just find them yourself. Those places are always available for you, and everyone, to use at any time.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 1:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks
Bro. I was just F*ckn with ya man. I just went to the site and saw that the site was pretty user-friendly.

I guess I'll start having to use that site for numbers cause I'm sure some STR locals will get pissed if I just come right out and state the obvious "Brad Miller is a 7ft Rag-doll who is killing the Kings by his reluctancy to play like the BIG his 7ft ass was meant to be"

Thanks again Man. (By the way if your around the tube, turn on ESPN...Oh Boy Rice for BC has 8 treys and now has 38 points at the start of the 2nd period as theyre beating UNC...Best shotting exibition ive seen in years)

by Hoops916 on Mar 1, 2008 2:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah Bro No worries
I wanted to clarify for you (and everyone else too that may eventually read this) so that you knew where to go.

I wasn't offended by ya at all. No reason to be. Have a good one.

I am the stone that the builder refused I am the visual, the inspiration That made Lady Sing the Blues..I'm the spark that makes your idea bright...

by pookeyguru on Mar 1, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

3-Wil
Was a pretty good defender. 5 steals against the Rockets and kept Yao from scoring more than 2 points in the 4th quarter of a close game.

Yah, he doesn't fit in to the Kings terrible defensive team. Let's waive him.

He can shoot, and he looks great in a suit. Hey, everybody - It's REGGIE TIME!

by dalt99 on Mar 1, 2008 2:57 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He
had the physical gifts to get minutes on the team.

Something tells me he must have been dumb as a rock and couldnt understand the game of basketball. That has to be the only reason why he didnt touch the floor and ultimately got cut

by Hoops916 on Mar 1, 2008 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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