Beno Udrih = MIP?

by section214 on Mar 14, 2008 5:37 PM PDT in Commentary

The Rise Guys floated this idea this morning, and I must admit I had not given it any thought, nor have I seen it brought up anywhere else.

Is Beno Udrih the most improved player in the NBA this year?

As I said, I have given this no thought, but at quick glance he has improved more (statistically) than Jose Calderon, Danny Granger, Andre Iguodala or Rajon Rondo (I have not had time to canvas the entire league).

Thoughts?

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yup

you got my vote. check out the diary i just posted. kind of along the same lines.

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by kingsfaninjapan on Mar 14, 2008 5:50 PM PDT reply actions

I doubt it

They'll probably pick from a playoff team. This might just be out of spite but Sandbagjakovic anybody?

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by Muff209 on Mar 14, 2008 8:22 PM PDT reply actions

Two Words

NO DOUBT. THe guy was waived and went to a team and averaged 14 points and six assists. How doesn't he get the award?

by harbir d on Mar 14, 2008 8:56 PM PDT reply actions

He won't win

but I'm okay with that. What better way to drive up the price, then by giving him the MIP award. I just hope he doesnt get too much national attention; the guy can play and I want the Kings ot sign him to A 3-4 year contract for as little as possible.

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by 27freethrows on Mar 14, 2008 10:15 PM PDT reply actions

it will probably

be Rudy Gay

at least thats what i've heard

by kingsTV on Mar 14, 2008 10:21 PM PDT reply actions

Beno is awesome

but...even as a huge Kings fan, and without checking the stats...I'd say no. The Kings are a bad team and no player on this team is going to earn honors in the league this year.

/End Martin vs. Ellis hangover from last year.

I can't pretend to know what would put Kings players back into contention for any league awards, but their current record is such that nobody on this team could win anything.

Sigh...

Brad has had a rejuvinating season (minus the last few games). Beno has been more than anticipated.

But it's still a team with a losing season. We have lots of reasons to be hopefull for the future, but no reason to expect league recognition for a few years, at least.

As always, just my opinion.

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by KK on Mar 14, 2008 10:25 PM PDT reply actions

Alternatives

Two names that I have seen here - Gay and Peja.

Peja's games are up over last year but his numbers are down. He does play for a winner, however.

Gay plays for a team that's worse than the Kings but as a player he probably has a higher profile than Beno. Gay is +9 in points to Beno's +8. They are both +2 in rebounds and + 1 in steals. Beno is +3 in assists to +1 for Gay. On a percentage basis Beno has made the larger overall jump.

As documented with Ellis and Martin, MIP is not a science. But it seems that Beno will at least merit consideration.

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by section214 on Mar 14, 2008 10:35 PM PDT reply actions

Two more

Hedo = +6 points, +2 rebounds and assists. Plays for a winner. Well respected.

Chris Kaman = +6 points, +2 rebounds, +1 assist and block. Well chronicled improvement.

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by section214 on Mar 14, 2008 10:43 PM PDT reply actions

I believe the MIP award must go to an emerging

player, not a comeback type player. So that would eliminate Peja, and maybe Hedo too.

Might add Bynum and Faramar to your possibles.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions

his team sucks

but what about mccants?

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by kingsfaninjapan on Mar 15, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions

I think Jose Calderonw ill get it

The guy should have been an all-star this year. I really think Monta Ellis should get it over Calderon, but that's a personal opinion. Look at Ellis' numbers sometime. They're flat out astounding. (And that's noting he wasn't deserving of the MIP he got last year.)

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by pookeyguru on Mar 15, 2008 1:50 AM PDT reply actions

Id' rather

give it to former King Hedo Torkoglu who got snubbed in the All-Star game

by kingme on Mar 15, 2008 1:51 AM PDT reply actions

I think I'd vote for Chris Paul

His stat increases might not be as large as some, because he was already good last year, but he's improved to the point where he could now be argued to be the best PG, and there is a good argument for him for MVP. He won't win MVP, maybe MIP would be a consolation.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2008 2:26 AM PDT reply actions

nah

i don't think too many rookies of the year win MIP. they were obviously the best in their class at an early age.

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by kingsfaninjapan on Mar 15, 2008 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions

Paul

should be in the MVP race, not MIP ;)

by kingme on Mar 15, 2008 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions

A 3rd year player who wasn't an all-star

last year, plays in his 1st all-star game this year, becomes a legitimate MVP candidate, and has the second best PER in the league, qualifies him to be in the MIP race, IMO.

If one student's test scores improve from 50% to 70% and another's improve from 75% to 100%, who's the most improved?

Not saying Paul will win it, but he should be considered.

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2008 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions

I agree

It is easier to rise from a nobody to a decent player than it is to rise from a good player to a phenomenal player. Chris Paul has been stellar this season and deserves both MVP and MIP consideration.

by Mityt on Mar 15, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions

from the resident drumk:

beno's not all-sta5r material but i am drubk and with that sauit he gas beeen awfukkruklty good. more consinsyebt than kmart ot ron-ron, big part of thos team this year.

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by Ball in Cup on Mar 15, 2008 4:28 AM PDT reply actions

I hope you didn't drive home dude

For a drunk guy you type crappy sir. I approve of such sloppy/crappyness.

For the record who said Beno was going to be an all-star?

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by pookeyguru on Mar 15, 2008 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions

Arenas said

Beno will never be an All-star. Not in 20 years. Oh...wait...that was for Calderon. My bad

by kingme on Mar 15, 2008 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions

Re:

Haha...yeah. Just ignore that post. In my drunkeness, I thought everyone was discussing Beno as a potential All-Star. I really was in no condition to be on a computer.

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by Ball in Cup on Mar 15, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Gotta hand it to ya though

That's "drunk typer of the year award" material right there.

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by pookeyguru on Mar 16, 2008 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Promising Future

How can any Kings' fan not be elated with the play of Beno? Maybe there has been some infatuation because our expectations for the team were not high.

I think Beno still has much room to improve. As this team matures, there will be better spacing and ball movement which should result in a drastic improvment in his A - TO ratio.

He has all the tools to be a top notch PG in the NBA for many years.

by aspen on Mar 15, 2008 7:35 AM PDT reply actions

The latest crop

Looking at McCants, Calderon, Ellis, Bynum, Farmar and Paul:

McCants = +5 pts., +2 rebs., +1 ast. Plays for a worse team than the Kings. Virtually no pub.

Calderon = +3 pts., +1 reb., +4 asts. Much smaller improvement than Beno but plays for a winner and is no longer flying under the radar.

Ellis = +3 pts., +2 reb., assists and steals slightly down. Not an impressive enough of an improvement to win the award back to back.

Bynum = +5 pts., +4 rebs., +1 asts., slightly up in blocks. He and Paul (below) are the highest profile guys on the list. But his injury may eliminate him from serious consideration.

Farmar = +5 pts., +1 reb., +1 ast. Nice improvement but statistically smaller than most of the guys on the list, and he is still a non-starter.

Paul = +4 pts., +2 asts., +1 stl., down in rebounds. Statistically a rather small improvement compared to the other guys on this list, and my bet is that he was already too good to be considered.

Thanks to everyone who has thrown out names so far. This has been very interesting and educational for me.

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by section214 on Mar 15, 2008 8:57 AM PDT reply actions

Hedo is eligible

From the Weekend Dime

The league office confirmed this week that Turkoglu is indeed more than eligible to win the NBA's Most Improved Player award.

I honestly wasn't sure because of what it says on the ballot. The MIP, according to the ballot's instructions, is meant to go to "an up-and-coming player" and is "not intended to be given to a player who has made a comeback.''

by Kfan in Korea on Mar 15, 2008 7:04 PM PDT reply actions